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The Price of Putin’s Ukraine Invasion: Sweden and Finland Join NATO

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Sweden's JAS 39. Image Credit: Creative Commons.

It now seems likely, if not inevitable, that Finland and Sweden will join NATO. Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has transformed opinion in both countries and has started a political process that may result in the alliance’s first substantial enlargement since several Baltic and Balkan states joined in 2004. For its part, NATO seems open and even eager to begin the process. How did we find our way here and where are we going?

JAS 39 Sweden

JAS 39 from Sweden. Image Credit: Creative Commons.


Finland and Sweden each found their own ways to neutrality. Since the end of the Napoleonic Wars, Sweden has sought to avoid deep entanglement with European balance of power politics. Sweden avoided engagement in World War I and again in World War II, despite facing threats from both the Western Allies and the Axis. Sweden’s commitment to neutrality is deeply held even as the extent of its relationship with NATO has grown over the last three decades. 

For its part, Finland found itself in the Russian Empire following Russia’s victory against Sweden in the Finnish War of 1809. Established a Grand Duchy, Finland enjoyed a quasi-autonomy for much of its time as part of the Russian Empire. Late in World War I, as Tsarist Russia disintegrated, Finland declared its independence. The Russian Baltic Fleet was chased from its moorings in a harrowing journey through ice-filled seas. Finland briefly elected the German crown prince as its own monarch, an arrangement that ended when Germany soon surrendered to the Entente. For the next 20 years, Finland would enjoy independence and a wary peace with the USSR, before the Russian invasion of 1939 began the Winter War. A defeated Finland joined Nazi Germany’s attack on the Soviet Union in June 1941, but Soviet forces eventually prevailed and forced Finland to capitulate in 1944. Finland was allowed to retain its democratic institutions but suffered sharp limitations on its foreign policy, limitations that only really ended with the collapse of the USSR.   

The Change

Neutrality works fine as long as norms against wars of territorial aggrandizement hold. When those norms fail, countries need to look for other options. Russian diplomacy on this question has been characteristically unhelpful, with military and political threats pushing Finland and Sweden even closer to NATO.

Both Finland and Sweden have worked extensively with NATO over the past two decades. Their military institutions are already engaged and habituated to a partnership with those of NATO countries, and their equipment is certainly far more compatible (not to mention effective) than that of the most recent waves of NATO candidates. Sweden and Finland have long shared a cooperative relationship on the nature of Scandinavian neutrality, to the extent that observers have in the past expected that NATO membership would come for both or not at all.  Thus, it is little surprise to see the countries moving forward in lockstep. 

Assets or Liabilities fo NATO

As the Economist’s Shashank Joshi has pointed out, the accession of Finland to NATO would, in a stroke, double the alliance’s land border with Russia. This would make Russia’s position in the far north considerably more vulnerable than it is today. The accession of Sweden would make the island of Gotland an alliance responsibility, sharply curtailing the potential for Russia’s naval maneuver in the Baltic Sea. Both Sweden and Finland have large, modern armed forces, in the case of Sweden supported by one of Europe’s largest and most sophisticated defense industrial bases. The Swedish DIB is already tightly integrated into the trans-European defense network, but direct participation in the NATO alliance could only deepen that integration.  

Every problem is an opportunity, and some analysts have pointed out that adding Finland and Sweden to the alliance’s portfolio gives Russia more area to threaten. With the performance of the Russian military in Ukraine thus far, however, it seems like the Finns and Swedes are firmly on the “asset” side of the ledger. Finland’s decision to acquire 64 F-35As significantly increases Russia’s vulnerability on its northern flank, as the Panthers can threaten Russia’s air defense network in ways that conventional fighter-bombers cannot. The prospect of staging other NATO aircraft to Finnish airfields during a crisis also puts Russia at considerably greater risk.

Sweden Gripen E

First flight with first Gripen E for Sweden.

Finally, the full accession of Finland gives NATO far greater access to Russia’s north than it currently enjoys.  NATO can already take advantage of Norwegian arctic territory, but access to Finland has the potential to give NATO a much clearer view of Russian military dispositions in the north, especially the bases of the Russian Northern Fleet and of Russia’s ballistic missile submarine flotilla.   

NATO Here We Come? 

The decisions of Finland and Sweden to join NATO are simultaneously momentous and not surprising. Whether Moscow anticipated the move as a consequence of its invasion of Ukraine is unclear, but despite some boilerplate threats it has not reacted as aggressively as it did to the comparatively much less likely accession of Ukraine. Russia may have “priced in” Finnish and Swedish accession as an unfortunate but necessary cost of waging its war on Ukraine, or it may have expected that the two countries would be deterred by Moscow’s military might and the evident will to use it.  It may be true that completing the Scandinavian Flush will bake in a degree of long-term confrontation with Russia, but at this point, it is difficult to imagine the future of the relationship growing much dimmer.

It’s hard to escape the bottom line: Putin’s invasion has made Russia less safe and less secure in ways that even a decisive victory in Ukraine cannot remedy.  

Now a 1945 Contributing Editor, Dr. Robert Farley is a Senior Lecturer at the Patterson School at the University of Kentucky. Dr. Farley is the author of Grounded: The Case for Abolishing the United States Air Force (University Press of Kentucky, 2014), the Battleship Book (Wildside, 2016), and Patents for Power: Intellectual Property Law and the Diffusion of Military Technology (University of Chicago, 2020).

Written By

Dr. Robert Farley has taught security and diplomacy courses at the Patterson School since 2005. He received his BS from the University of Oregon in 1997, and his Ph.D. from the University of Washington in 2004. Dr. Farley is the author of Grounded: The Case for Abolishing the United States Air Force (University Press of Kentucky, 2014), the Battleship Book (Wildside, 2016), and Patents for Power: Intellectual Property Law and the Diffusion of Military Technology (University of Chicago, 2020). He has contributed extensively to a number of journals and magazines, including the National Interest, the Diplomat: APAC, World Politics Review, and the American Prospect. Dr. Farley is also a founder and senior editor of Lawyers, Guns and Money.



  1. CK

    April 29, 2022 at 7:53 pm

    At the rate this is going, and given the massacres that have already occurred in Ukraine, I can see even Ukraine going down the same path, should they emerge victorious and kick out Russia from all occupied territories.

    It is worth nothing early on, when talks and negotiations were still a thing, Zelensky appeared to acknowledge NATO membership was not in the cards. With what has happened since, and Ukraine slowly turning into a de facto if not de jure member of NATO, I wonder if he still thinks the same.

    Will heavily depend what position both Russia and Ukraine are at the end of the war, and how much Russia can leverage at that time.

    Let’s see.

    • Anders

      April 29, 2022 at 9:42 pm

      Good point. I saw Zelensky’s sensible position on NATO in the beginning of the war, but now after so many atrocities and early Russian losses the picture seems to have changed a bit.

      • dav.

        April 30, 2022 at 12:35 pm

        The western media try to show Russia lost. but in reality not.

  2. Commentar

    April 29, 2022 at 8:07 pm

    Sweden and Finland obviously think little or take very lightly about russia’s nuclear capability.

    To the politicians in stockholm and helsinki, russian nukes are rusting in their silos or storage sets and will never amount to anything more serious than ping pong stinkbombs.

    US & NATO are egging on russia to resort to the use of nukes, and like hitler (and his slovak, hungarian, finnish, romanian, spanish, italian allies), think that russia’s about to collapse in the face of a growing, rampaging and thundering alliance.

    Well, history proved hitler was totally wrong and completely foolish, and US / NATO will surely savour the same fate. Russia, if push comes to shove, will not hesitate to use the nuclear guillotine against the 21st century hitlers.

    • Anders

      April 29, 2022 at 9:55 pm

      Commentar, if Sweden and Finland were to take Russia’s nuclear capability seriously – as you imply they should – wouldn’t that exactly be an argument for joining NATO since both countries have no nuclear weapons and would benefit from NATO’s nuclear umbrella?

      I don’t know if the Russian weapons are rusting. I would think they are made of aluminum and other such light materials, not iron. Russia is also going through a modernization program to get rid of their Soviet era nuclear missiles, so I don’t think rust is a major concern.

      You mention Hitler’s allies, but actually leave out Russia – Russia and Nazi Germany entered into the Molotov-Rippentrop Pact to partition Poland. Poland was obviously not very happy about this, Commentar. That is probably why they are so strong in voicing their criticism of Russia since how similar it behaves today. Don’t you think? Btw., did Russia ever suffer any consequences or pay any reparations to Poland? Just wondering.

      • dav.

        April 30, 2022 at 2:02 pm

        Hi Anders, of course, Sweden and Finland won’t be able to take Russia’s nuclear capability. I know your feelings push you for that. With sense and far from media brainwashing. We can not deny that Russia’s weapons are so advanced with remarkable and they have weapons nothing similar in the whole world. Why does Nato Challenge Russia and keep Ukraine to be punished cuz of Nato? This war was because America and Nato were planning to be closer to Russian borders. Please keep in mind that Russia won wars against the french (Napilion), Osmans, and Hiter. (I am not Russian)

        • David Burgess

          May 1, 2022 at 11:27 am

          Dav, Russia on “won” against Napoleon because they retreated from his army and destroyed anything usable to the French. Napoleon defeated himself by poor logistics, and a terrible winter that destroyed a large portion of his army. As far as defeating Hitler, without the fact that Hitler was not able to amass his entire army against them because of his Western front, and the fact that Russia was receiving huge amounts of material aid from the US and other allies that they were able to stop Germany’s advance, and finally drive them back to Berlin.

  3. Slack

    April 29, 2022 at 8:20 pm

    The current situation where US and allies assess that only military action (plus sanctions) will solve the ukraine problem is fully misguided, misplaced and stupidly managed and thought out.

    Russia will never abandon its brothers in crimea and donbass and will fight to the death to preserve them.

    Crimea and Donbass are part and parcel of russia. They are family and if western nations think russia will sacrifice them to save its own skin, they’re going to feel flames of hell right on their own territory, even INSIDE their very own homes.

    But of course, warmongers of the hitlerian/goebbellian class don’t take such consideration into their calculus. To them, war’s the ultimate adventure, the greatest of achievements and the highest glory for individuals. Dream on.

  4. greenman

    April 29, 2022 at 8:30 pm

    Get the facts, Russia invaded ukraine and Russia is invading ukraine. The only country that has had its security threatened is ukraine from Russia.
    Nuclear weapons are mutual assured destruction, which means Russia would cease to exist, in the event of a nuclear exchange.
    Russia would need to be psychotic to end its own existence virtue same of trying to conquer a small amount of ukraine territory.

    Hitler and Stalin had a lot in common, both being socialists.
    The Nazi party was called the national socialists and the Soviets had their own socialist name as well.
    Putin liked the Nazi Swastika so much he has used the half swastika so as not to do exact copy.

  5. Joe Comment

    April 29, 2022 at 8:33 pm

    Slack: If Russia only cares about Donbas and Crimea, why are they invading Kharkiv, Kherson and Zaporozhia oblasts? Oh and by the way, I notice you used the word “war” in your post, which is illegal in Russia. Will you still be allowed to post from your jail cell?

  6. Joe Comment

    April 29, 2022 at 8:36 pm

    Commentar: You claim Sweden and Finland are 21st century Hitlers who need to be nuked? Do you have any idea how unhinged it sounds to other people?

    • Anders

      April 29, 2022 at 10:02 pm


      I think we can both agree that the Russian trolls are as well trained as their soldiers – self-inflicted wounds are legion.


  7. Him

    April 29, 2022 at 10:47 pm

    The problem is, even if Russia loses the war inside Ukraine territory, that is not a strong position for the West to force Russia to pay reparations to rebuild Ukraine.

    In contrast, after WW2, because the Allies *occupied* the territory of Germany and Japan, the Allies could make demands on these defeated Axis nations.

    Whereas, even if Russia loses on Ukraine territory – but if no Russian territory is captured – then Russia could just thumb its nose, or rather Putin would thumb his pig-face at the West and refuse to contribute to rebuilding. (Putin does look like a pig with a smooth rounded fatty porcine face and little beady eyes).

    • Anders

      April 29, 2022 at 11:49 pm

      Agreed, we should temper our expectations about Russia paying reparations. Russia is not likely to pay for all of the damages they have caused, though funds can and – I firmly believe – should be taken from Russia’s frozen assets in foreign banks to pay reparations.

      As you may recall, John Maynard Keynes quit as UK’s lead negotiator during the Versailles Treaty negotiations because he felt the reparation demands on Germany were too onerous and could precipitate the next Great War. Even if the West could – and you rightly point out, it can’t – ensure Russia pays for all of the reconstruction, we shouldn’t.

      Key to start the long-term effort of getting Russia behind “European values.” That means that Russia should give up its dream of a Greater Russia built on conquests and coercion – and that they adjust their “cost-benefit” calculation to take into account a far better armed, resolved, and united West.

  8. Vladolph Putler

    April 29, 2022 at 11:18 pm

    Ah, I realize I *really* shouldn’t feed the trolls. But it’s so fun! 😀

    Putin is absolutely NOT Hitler. Hitler was competent. Or at least competent enough. And evil as he was, he was a brilliant orator, highly compelling. Putin is a micromanaging idiot who cannot learn from his own mistakes, let alone have the wisdom to learn from the vast trove of historical mistakes readily viewable in the modern age of the internet. And he has both the demeanor and appearance of a spoiled adult child playing internet games in the basement into his old age.

    Putin would LIKE to be a modern Hitler. But alas, he is evil, but not competent. Or *remotely* charismatic.

    Is the table grasping anus puckering fool stupid enough to bring nuclear annihilation down about the ears of his nation? Despite the masochistic nuclear lust of the dribbling trolls, I kinda doubt it. But if so? Well that would be, yet again. Dumb.

    As to Ukraine being part of Russia? Obviously NOT. No one *ever* wanted to be part of Russia. That’s why people FLEE Russia. And always have. Russia SUCKS. Dumptruck after dumptruck of dead Russian conscripts won’t change that fact. Clearly the Ukrainians value what they have- and not what Russia does NOT have. And are persistently and competently willing to fight to keep it that way.

    What *would* change that, would be if Russians had some spinal fortitude, or the swinging cast iron balls the Ukrainians have so clearly demonstrated, to swagger around with. Ax the government and fix it as so many free nations have done. Nations who now flourish in wealth and success. Or just fix it bureaucratically. Either would work.

    Cause frankly, the world doesn’t WANT Russia to suck. The world would much prefer Russia stop putting its pants on backwards and pooping in them.

  9. Commentar

    April 30, 2022 at 12:31 am

    Today, the world is being bamboozled by biden (and ‘global’ media) , who at 80-years-old, clearly doesn’t have long to live.

    Biden, in 2013, famously urged americans to arm themselves with ‘double barrel 12-gauge shotguns’ unable to realise firearms were already taking a heavy toll on innocent lives.Despite being a veteran democrat party politician. War with one another, he sagely advised. Fire two shots if you suspect or see anything amiss.

    Today, biden is having his last throw of the dice, the last chance for personal political glory, the one final opportunity to protect hunter.

    And he’s doing it by trying his best to fight russia to the death. Peace can go to hell as far as biden’s concerned. Yet biden doesn’t realise victory is never guaranteed. Hitler should be a reminder, but biden probably doesn’t even know who’s hitler. Perhaps he was Churchill’s very first house butler. Maybe, yeah. Sure.

    At the end of the day, one can’t be sure who’s gonna emerge on top. But one thing is certain, biden’s gonna exit and bid world goodbye by leaving it in a huge mess.

    So, FILL UP YA LARDERS, KEEP SPARE CASH AT HOME, MAKE SURE YA HAVE ENOUGH TOILET PAPER, SOAP, TOOTHPASTE, etc..etc. to last until dec 31 2022.Ya can’t trust biden!

    • Anders

      April 30, 2022 at 12:58 am

      How is the Special Military Operation in Ukraine going? Your economy? Did you use any of the billions of dollars in oil and gas revenue to diversify your economy before the war? Happy with your elections and free speech? Anything you want to share? Perhaps some of the great accomplishment of the Putin regime?

  10. Joe Comment

    April 30, 2022 at 1:01 am

    Commentar: You might want to be careful with the disparaging remarks about 80-year-olds. What if Putin remains in power for another 10 years? At least, I see no evidence he has any plans to retire.

  11. Commentar

    April 30, 2022 at 2:07 am

    Biden is a fool who’s going to answer for all his foolishness when he meets his maker. Why expand NATO, why still keeping NATO alive. Why so foolish.

    Biden as a veteran democratic party politician should know that human life’s very cheap in the americas. 30k to 40k people in US die violently each year from firearms.

    And then what about lives in mexico, haiti, colombia, el salvador, etc. Even cheaper.

    Biden and democratic party can’t figure why life’s so cheap in the new world, why on earth worry about europe.

    Europe can take care of itself, no need for US meddling and US-led instigation, US-supplied weapons and US-led military pacts.

    What did trump say in a fox interview in july 2018 about the peril of blindly deciding on US involvement in europe.You can read it at

    As trump wisely noted, eastern euros enjoy numerous scraps and wars, it’s almost a pastime for them. The ukr fighters of today, especially their famed azov battalions, are really not much different from the men who staffed the 14th SS division of ww2.

    So why is biden SO MUCH MORE STUPID than trump. Makes one wonder if biden is the 2022 antichrist hellbent on igniting ww3 in europe !!!

    • Joe Comment

      April 30, 2022 at 3:27 am

      Commentar: The person who made Sweden and Finland want to join NATO is not Biden, but Putin.

  12. Alex

    April 30, 2022 at 5:30 am

    The man who drove Ukraine into the stone age is Zelensky.

  13. CK

    April 30, 2022 at 6:14 am

    It will be hilarious to see Russia imploding after their defeat in Ukraine while the latter gets all the benefits of being a part of the EU, NATO, with a strong military and tons of money to rebuild after this cowardly war.

    Or both countries, and the rest of the world by default, will be nuclear wastelands, courtesy of Putin.

    The one man to blame behind all of this.

    • Anders

      April 30, 2022 at 9:31 am


      Interesting point. What would imploding mean – Russia breaking up into separate republics? This idea has been put forward as some of the republics are clearly not happy with Moscow.


      • CK

        April 30, 2022 at 11:47 am

        I’m not that hopefuly. I just mean imploding because it will be like the Berlin wall all over again. Russia cannot afford to have a neighbour that is more successful than itself – but especially one that (used to be) so much like it itself.

        If you can have a pro-EU, pro-democratic, pro-Western revolution in Ukraine, you can have one in Belarus, in Russia itself. It’s an existential threat. This is why Putin invaded Ukraine (among many other reasons)

        If Ukraine is sucessful, every Russian will see that the EU isn’t this boogeyman, that prosperity is possible, that progress is possible with democracy, that maybe they didn’t have the paradise they thought they did, especially as sanctions and isolation begin to bite, month after month, year after year.

        The implosion will be them taking off their blinders and realing the real enemies are the oligarchs, the thieves, Putin, and his entire lot. Either they too have a revolution (what form that takes is up for grabs, could be even more militaristic and authoritarian) or they crumble like they did in 1991.

  14. Alex

    April 30, 2022 at 7:47 am

    “NATO is a ploy, it is a structure whose purpose is to hide America’s dominance over Europe.”
    Charles de Gaulle.

    It must be understood that Europe will also be responsible for subordinating the United States. Questions “what are we for” are no longer important for Russia. If Europe wants to become a bargaining chip in the battle against Bandera’s Nazis, then so be it. Personally, I, like many acquaintances from Poland, are going to Russia. There are more chances to survive in Russia. And let the idiots die for US interests in Ukraine.

    • Anders

      April 30, 2022 at 9:26 am


      Countries neighboring Russia are not walking they are running to NATO. Why? Because of the atrocities they have experienced under Russian yoke. That’s why they are also the most vocal critics of Russia’s invasion in Ukraine.

      As a European, when it comes to choosing between aligning yourself with Russia and the United States it’s like choosing between being hit in the head with a hammer or getting a new car. (No, hammer is not the right answer.)

      But why are you so active on this site when you clearly are not aligned with its editorial policy. Do you get paid for it? Had a really rough time the last couple of months? Or perhaps just low on medicine? In the West, we have psychological counseling services that could help.


      • CK

        April 30, 2022 at 11:50 am

        @Anders, personally, I think the dude is highly into BDSM. He’s always talking about fiery asses, skirts, licking boots.

        Which you know, is totally fine. I respect that. But it’s the only way to explain why he comes here again and again, day after day, hour after hour, for his ritual humiliation and intellectual castration.

        The guy loves pain!

    • CK

      April 30, 2022 at 11:48 am

      “I, like many of my acquaintances from Poland, are going to Russia.”

      You know what they say, if it sounds like an idiot, looks like an idiot, and says idiotic things like an idiot, it’s probably an idiot! 😀

      Alex, there isn’t a single person in Poland with an ounce of grey matter in their heads going to Russia. Although in your case, I guess that explains everything.

      Bon voyage!

  15. Illurion

    April 30, 2022 at 9:11 pm

    Dear Anders and CK:

    On the subject of “imploding Russia”, it is my opinion that after Russia is defeated, and Putin is dead, that Russia will be too weak to protect itself, and will be invaded by the Chinese, and absorbed into China itself.

    Russia will no longer exist.

    China will not have to “pay” for oil and gas from Russia anymore, as it will “own” all of that oil and gas.

    Other than “land”, and “raw materials”, Russia doesn’t have much to offer.

    No one else would be interested in conquering what is left of Russia.


    I want to mention something that MIGHT SEEM STRANGE, OR FUNNY, BUT I AM DEADLY SERIOUS.





    After 30 years of the “ONE CHILD POLICY”, China has seen it’s population drop for the first time, AND CHINA NOW HAS 70 MILLION FEMALES LESS THAN MALES.

    So there are approximately 70 million CHINESE MALES that have “no prospect” of ever getting married, and only rarely even getting laid.


    But it isn’t. It is a VERY SERIOUS PROBLEM FOR CHINA…

    China has “covered” for the problem with those unhappy 70 million males by keeping most of them ON ACTIVE DUTY IN THE CHINESE ARMY.

    Keeping them BUSY, and providing FOREIGN prostitutes.

    There was even a “60 Minutes” program a few years ago that showed how “PROSTITUTION IS THE MOST MAJOR INDUSTRY ALONG THE RUSSIA / CHINA BORDER.”

    The Prostitutes are all RUSSIAN women, and the Chinese cross the border to be serviced.

    In conclusion, when Ukraine has won the war, and Putin is dead, China will invade Russia in order to aquire:

    – Land
    – Raw materials
    – Women


    So i expect that the Chinese will eliminate all Russian Males, and keep only the Females.

    The Spanish did this exact thing in the 1500’s in Central America.

    The Conquistadors “KILLED ALL OF THE MAYAN, AND INCAN MALES” and kept only the Females.

    The Spanish killed millions of Central American Native Males, effectively “REMOVING THEM” from the genetic code of mankind.

    THAT IS WHY ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN CENTRAL AMERICA AND THE CARIBBEAN ARE CALLED “HISPANIC”, as they are all the descendants of SPANISH MALES, and Native American Females.

    Hitler reportedly was fascinated by what the Spanish had accomplished in Central America, and he used the same techniques in Europe as he attempted to wipe out the Jews. Only Hitler didn’t need the FEMALES, so his plan was to remove ALL Jews. Period.

    In conclusion,

    If i am right, not only will Russia cease to exist, but the RUSSIAN MALE will disappear from the Genetic Code of Mankind.

    Have a nice day.

  16. Alex

    May 1, 2022 at 6:56 am

    And now, not stupid propaganda from pseudo-journalists and squealing Bandera bastards, but real facts. Let’s see how Russia “lost”:

    In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, Russia has destroyed 143 aircraft, 112 helicopters, 660 unmanned aerial vehicles, 279 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,678 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 308 multiple rocket launchers, 1,196 field artillery pieces and mortars, as well as 2,503 units of special military vehicles. Destroyed 43.814 Bandera Nazis and soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. 3,540 soldiers surrendered.

    Utilization of US and NATO equipment is proceeding according to plan:
    High-precision missiles “Onyx” in the Odessa region at a military airfield destroyed a hangar with weapons and ammunition received from the United States and European countries, and also destroyed the runway.

    Every day, the flags of the people’s militia of Donbass, Russia and Chechnya are raised over a new liberated settlement. Everything can be seen on the map of hostilities.

    A French journalist released another film about the atrocities of Bandera Nazi bastards. The photo and video evidence is simply amazing – these bastards of Bandera Nazis only need to be exterminated, finally and completely.

    The point is that no matter how hard the pseudo-journalists try to lie, the truth inevitably comes to the surface.

    By the way, Russian special forces seized important documents from one of the American biological laboratories in Ukraine. The announcement is this: the experiments that the Americans conducted on people, on Ukrainians, amaze the imagination with their cruelty.

    I will say this: “Hello, new Third Reich, you will also be destroyed.” History is cyclical. Again the West is trying to defeat Russia and will be defeated again.

  17. CK

    May 1, 2022 at 8:04 am

    Hey Alex, look at this! You’re in the news!

    “Russian internet trolls based in an old arms factory in St Petersburg are targeting world leaders online and spreading support for Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, the British government has said, citing research.”

    “The headquarters is allegedly located in rented space in St Petersburg’s Arsenal Machine-building Factory, a company that manufactures military equipment and technology.”

    “The study details how the Russian president’s regime is trying to manipulate public opinion on social media, as well as in the comments sections of major media outlets.”

    “The analysis suggests one main activity is “brigading”, to steer attention of discussion on social media and in comments sections of newspapers towards favoured opinions. Manipulation of polls in western media was also observed, including to skew the results of a survey on whether sanctions against Russia were supported.”

    Does this look like anyone we know?

  18. Alex

    May 1, 2022 at 9:41 am

    Representatives of the hacker group “Beregini”: the Ukrainian “troll factory” was trained by Polish instructors.
    The Ukrainian “troll factory” used the services of Polish instructors.

    The United States and Great Britain participated in the work of the center of information and psychological operations, but so far only Polish influence has been documented.

    “It is clear from the documents that we found among them certificates from Polish instructors stating that they trained the employees of the center, and it is also clear from the manner of their work that they are supervised by the West,” said a representative of the group.

    According to her, in Ukraine they invent “atrocities” of the Russian army and fantasize about the number of victims.

    “Some small particle is taken, the truth, which any person can check, and a lie is wound on this particle, a fake in itself. And people check this first clue: yeah, yes, it seems to be true. And then they seemed to believe and checked, why check further, ”she explained.

    The interlocutor added that sometimes old videos are used with additional voice acting or comments: this allows you to give life to a new “interpretation” and put fakes on the news channels.

    On the eve of Beregini, it was reported that as a result of the destruction by the Russian Armed Forces of the Ukrainian 72nd Center for Information and Psychological Operations, the work of its “bot factory” was significantly disrupted, but will soon be restored. Nevertheless, according to them, “for several days in the midst of the Russian military operation, we managed to shut them up and ease the information pressure on the population of Ukraine and Russia.”

    After Russia launched an operation to protect the republics of Donbass, social media users were faced with a huge amount of fake information. According to independent hackers, the 72nd Center for Information and Psychological Special Operations of Ukraine is responsible for the production of most of it.

    On March 2, in order to suppress information attacks against Russia, the technological facilities of the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) and the 72nd main center of psychological operations were hit with precision weapons in the city of Kyiv.
    Therefore, Bandera trolls sit on such sites, where they do not care about the truth, but lies and propaganda. But almost no one here reads them. That is why they squeal and hysteria like patients of the Lviv Regional Psychiatric Hospital. Oh, they write from there.

    But the most interesting thing is not this, but the fact that my information is easy to verify – it is published by independent American, German, French, Chinese journalists and experts, any information of the Bandera Nazi troll is easily refuted.

  19. CK

    May 1, 2022 at 9:42 am

    Hey Alex, look at this! You’re in the news!

    “Russian internet trolls based in an old arms factory in St Petersburg are targeting world leaders online and spreading support for Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, the British government has said, citing research.”

    “The headquarters is allegedly located in rented space in St Petersburg’s Arsenal Machine-building Factory, a company that manufactures military equipment and technology.”

    “The study details how the Russian president’s regime is trying to manipulate public opinion on social media, as well as in the comments sections of major media outlets.”

    “The analysis suggests one main activity is “brigading”, to steer attention of discussion on social media and in comments sections of newspapers towards favoured opinions. Manipulation of polls in western media was also observed, including to skew the results of a survey on whether sanctions against Russia were supported.”

    Does this look like anyone we know? Also, sucks that they are making you work on a Saturday man! Is it that bad over there you guys can’t make ends meet?

    Does Sveta not have enough clients? Reach out man, we want to help!

    Here’s a reminder:

    If someone wanted to know the truth about anything in Ukraine Alex, the last person they would go to is you.

    Paragraphs and paragraphs of bollocks, dubious claims about “independent journalists”, random documentarians, conspiracy theorists, deluded claims that of course, have no backup, lie after lie after lie.

    Classical Kremlin troll approach. Just flood the internet, the comments, the media, with tosh, doesn’t matter what it is, just make sure you write some old nonsense. Make sure to say the claim is supported by some dude in Germany, France, the states. If it’s a “documentary” (usually from youtube) then the better.

    Anything that victimises Russia, always the victim, always the bullied, never the problem. It’s always the Nazis. It’s always some pseudo-historical point.

    Anyone that has had the misfortune to study your “tactics” sees the forest for the trees, the pattern of lies, disinformation, blanketing of random claims, deflection, obfuscation, and other words beyond your vocabulary.

    It’s hopeless Alex. Your lies are as short as your intellect. What a pathetic job, to sit in your government shed, spreading your pathetic, government lies.

    A pathetic job for a truly pathetic man. A better match could not be made in heaven.

  20. Vladolph Putler

    May 1, 2022 at 11:42 pm

    Ah, the Russian trolls just make it *so easy* to justify supporting the Ukrainians. As Russians haul away stolen wheat EN MASSE (Holodomor 2) and Russians steal the foreign aid meant for civilians. Robbing the weak like a bunch of dope fiends.

    Well, as your Lavrov says, “live in your own reality” if that involves Russian brigades turned into hamburger factories while the Russian economy tries to poop out a watermelon? That is the least of it. EVERYONE is noticing that Russia is a road apple writhing in maggots now. Not just Russia’s neighbors.

    Russians were concerned that Ukraine might put NATO at the gates. 😀 Wow. Ukraine will have the most formidable land army in the world in a few months here. ALL of Russia’s enemies are getting stronger, as Russia gets weaker. And Russians are too arrogant, stupid, or both, to grasp the gravity of the situation Putin has put them in.

    Carry on! 😀

  21. Alex

    May 2, 2022 at 9:21 am

    In the meantime, the Bandera Nazi from the Ukrainian troll factory lost his voice from screeching and choked on bile, let’s talk about how the day went:

    Politico reported thousands of foreigners fighting on the side of Ukraine
    Combat-trained Americans, along with thousands of other foreigners, are participating in the military operations in Ukraine on the side of Kyiv. Such an assessment is given in an article published in the American edition of Politico. The publication refers to retired military and employees of American PMCs, who are currently on the territory of Ukraine.

    The material notes that in Ukraine, in particular, the Task Force Yankee group, headed by the American Harrison Yosefovitz, operates. He previously worked as a police officer in Chicago, Illinois, and also served in the US Army (ground forces).

    On April 29, CNN, citing the family of an American citizen and PMC mercenary Willie Joseph, reported his death in Ukraine. According to the mother of the mercenary, he went to Poland on March 12 and crossed the border into Ukraine on March 12-13. The woman noted that in the group of mercenaries, in which her son was, there were citizens of “a variety of countries.”

    The mercenaries come from the USA, Canada, Georgia, Great Britain, Poland and Romania.
    More than a thousand mercenaries have already been destroyed. About a thousand more refused to participate in hostilities and returned to their former extremist deployment sites.

    The remaining 4.8-5 thousand foreign mercenaries should return to their states, since, according to international law, they are deprived of legal protection and “at best” they will face long-term imprisonment. As we understand, most likely they will never return home. an easy walk to hunt people turned out to be a trap forever.

    Representatives of the military-civilian administration of Kherson raised the Russian flag on the building of the local executive committee in the Russian-controlled village of Chernobaevka, where the Kherson international airport is located.
    Russian security forces also removed Ukrainian signs from the building of the local administration.
    According to the residents of Chernobaevka, the former head of the village administration, Igor Dudar, fled to the territory controlled by Ukraine. During his reign, the Eternal Flame was extinguished at the monument to the fallen heroes of the Great Patriotic War, and photographs of veterans were taken from the village Board of Honor. Now, as assured in the military-civilian administration, all this will be corrected.

    Over the past day, from 8:00 am on May 1 to 8:00 am on May 2, 159 people, including 29 children, were evacuated from Mariupol to Bezymennoe, Novoazovsky District. Then people flee to Russia. Do you need more evidence of who is the aggressor and the killer, and to whom they run for help? Yes, propagandists and liars cannot change this.

    During the day, Russian air defense systems destroyed 10 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles in the areas of the settlements of Vesele, Borshchevo and Balakleya in the Kharkiv region, Kisylivka in the Kherson region, Mayak in the Zaporozhye region, Dokuchaev, Korsun and Khanzhinkovo ​​of the Donetsk People’s Republic, as well as in the area of ​​the city of Lugansk. Western drones turned out to be just targets for Russia and Donbass.

    High-precision air-launched missiles hit 38 Ukrainian military facilities in a day. Among them are four command posts, 30 strongholds, areas of concentration of manpower and Ukrainian military equipment, and three warehouses of missile and artillery weapons in the areas of Pervomayskoye and Ilyichevka settlements.

    The Osa AKM air defense system and a battery of multiple launch rocket systems in the Arkhangelovka area were also destroyed. Aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit 27 strongholds, areas of concentration of manpower and military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as well as a depot of rocket and artillery weapons and ammunition in the area of ​​​​the village of Chervonoe, Zaporozhye region. Up to 160 personnel and 26 units of Ukrainian armored vehicles were destroyed.

    During the day, the missile forces hit nine strongholds and areas of concentration of manpower and equipment, as well as the BM-21 Grad and an artillery battery in firing positions. Artillery subunits hit 26 command and control posts, 78 strongholds, 359 manpower and equipment concentration areas, and 67 artillery firing positions. Six ammunition depots, up to 280 personnel and 43 units of weapons and military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed.

    In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, Russia has destroyed 146 aircraft, 112 helicopters, 683 unmanned aerial vehicles, 281 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,756 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 316 multiple rocket launchers, 1,234 field artillery and mortar guns, as well as 2,563 units of special military vehicles. All this is confirmed and documented. Now tell us about 200,000 dead Russians and 5,000 destroyed Russian tanks, clowns.

    The Ukrainian authorities are seeking the evacuation of all those at the Azovstal plant in Mariupol to the territory controlled by Kyiv in order to hide the presence among the military countries.

    Among those at the plant there are a large number of characters who will confirm the presence of mercenaries, and perhaps acting officers of the Western armies on the side of the Ukrainian radicals.

    Does the elimination of the influence of a few dozen (even thousands) of Nazis deserve to put a country of forty million at risk? This is not a completely correct question. This is a question that concerns the fundamental security interests of the Russian Federation.

    We all remember the beginning of Nazism in Ukraine:
    persecution of the Russian Orthodox Church, the Russian language and the Russian media was carried out, sales of all printed materials in Russian were stopped, laws were adopted to promote Nazi theory and practice.

    The whole world understood that Ukraine is not worth starting a nuclear war, for which all the peoples of Russia are ready, but the peoples of the West are not ready. However, if crazy politicians want to try, it will be as President Putin said: “… we will all go to heaven, and you all will just die …”. Most importantly, the majority of Russians supported his words. Are you ready for war with Russia? Then go ahead and try it.

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