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Joe Biden’s $33 Billion Ukraine Gamble Could End In Disaster

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Russian artillery system firing. Image Credit: Creative Commons.

Joe Biden’s $33 Billion Request for Ukrainian Aid – and Larger War Policy – Carries Hidden Risks for America’s Economic & National Security – Thursday morning President Joe Biden addressed the American people from the White House, saying he was seeking $33 billion in additional funding to support Ukraine in its war with Russia. While it is right and appropriate that Washington help Kyiv, it is also right and appropriate for Congress to answer a question that it appears no one in Washington has bothered to ask: how does this financial and military support to Ukraine affect American financial and economic security?

It doesn’t take much analysis to realize this Ukrainian package includes a lot of negatives for the United States – and the chances are a lot lower of accomplishing even the stated intent of helping Ukraine win its war than many realize. First lets us consider the military implications of Biden’s request.

As I recently explained in considerable detail in these pages, providing tanks, armored infantry carriers, and artillery cannons to Ukraine is unlikely to make a decisive difference in the ongoing Battle of Donbas. Issues of training, logistics, and the ability to maintain the hastily procured gear will constrain their tactical effectiveness. Secondly, trying to graft a hodge-podge of Soviet and Western military gear onto an army that is already in the fight of its life against a well-armed opponent is enormously difficult. 

The best that can be hoped for – though far from guaranteed – is that eventually, the West is able to saturate Ukraine with so many heavy weapons and ammunition that the volume alone becomes more than the Russians can defeat, resulting in a stalemate, likely somewhere between the current frontlines of the Donbas and Kyiv. 

That still won’t provide a capability to drive Russia out of Ukraine, however; only to stop Putin’s army from driving any further West. Before anyone celebrates such an outcome, it is crucial to understand the end state of such a condition: turning Ukraine into a European version of the Syrian or Yemen civil wars.

Creating a stalemate somewhere in central Ukraine will ensure the country remains hopelessly divided for the foreseeable future. Zelensky’s troops will continue being killed and wounded at some reduced but sustained rate, Ukrainian cities will continue to be slowly destroyed by rocket, artillery, and missile fire, and the population of the entire country will be suspended in a state of war, unable to rebuild or resume normal lives. 

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NLAW anti-tank missile in Ukraine. Image Credit: Ukrainian Military.

But it won’t just be the people of Ukraine who suffer if the war degenerates into a stalemate.  The longer this conflict burns, the worse conditions get for the populations of the West broadly and of the United States in particular. Supporting Ukraine’s war isn’t cost-free – and the conditions in the U.S. were already under meaningful economic stress.

The Fed announced on Thursday that the U.S. economy contracted by 1.4% in the last quarter, the worst such performance since the beginning of the pandemic in 2020. The American people are presently suffering the worst inflation to strike the country in 40 years. The price of a gallon of gas rose 50% in 2021, and thus far in 2022 has continued soaring towards historic highs in many parts of the country. But the worst – as a direct consequence of the war in Ukraine – may be in store for American consumers this summer.

Owing to middle Ukraine being turned into a battlefield, much of the land that normally produces wheat and other staples exported to much of the world remains fallow. Sanctions on Russia will deprive global markets of yet more cereal crops. Worse, the 22% of the world’s ammonia fertilizers normally produced and exported by Russia have been sanctioned and are off the market, putting at risk crop production in other countries – and putting food security for much of the globe in peril this summer. 

Adding to negative global economic pressure, Russian oil and gas have also been curtailed, and Europe is considering an outright embargo – which has already caused oil prices to spike over $100 per barrel; it could be as high as $240 a barrel by this summer. Rising fuel prices, naturally, will cause the transportation of every commodity in America to increase. America right now is facing the potential for a severe, perfect economic storm this summer.

Combined with the already record-high level of inflation, the rising fuel prices, shortages of food worldwide, and the already contracting economy, America faces the real danger of suffering not just a major recession, but if the war drags on long enough, the real prospect of a depression. It is into this environment that Biden’s request for an additional $33 billion to fund Ukraine’s war against Russia must be considered.

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A Marine with Weapons Company, 1st Battalion, 4th Marine Regiment, fires an FGM-148 Javelin during a TOW battle drill aboard Camp Pendleton, Calif., Aug. 28-29, 2014. The Marines were performing basic TOW drills using live fire and maneuver to ensure they were ready for future deployments.

Earlier this week, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin openly stated that It was U.S. policy to “weaken” Russia’s military by the aid we provide to Ukraine. There are many in Washington who would no doubt be only too happy to see the war descend into a stalemate, realizing that such a state would cause long-term harm to Russia, further diminishing their war-making capacity. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Mark Milley, in fact, told a Senate committee he expected the war’s duration to be “measured in years.”

It should be the policy of the United States to end the war as soon as possible, not to see it drag out as long as possible. Laying the foundation for perpetuating the war would increase the suffering of the population while providing no path to conflict resolution. It would continue significant upward pressure on global oil prices, food prices, and increase the risk for the entire Western world of a severe recession – or if carried far enough, a depression. 

It is time for a change of course. The U.S., European, and NATO leaders would be doing their own citizenry a favor and ultimately helping save Ukrainian lives if they put at least as much emphasis and effort in ending the war as they have in extending it. It is understandable that many detest Putin and desire to see him harmed. But it would be foolish – and dangerous to our way of life – to seek to degrade Russia in a way that causes damage to our own interests. 

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Now a 1945 Contributing Editor, Daniel L. Davis is a Senior Fellow for Defense Priorities and a former Lt. Col. in the U.S. Army who deployed into combat zones four times. He is the author of “The Eleventh Hour in 2020 America.” Follow him @DanielLDavis1.

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Daniel L. Davis is a Senior Fellow for Defense Priorities and a former Lt. Col. in the U.S. Army who deployed into combat zones four times. He is the author of “The Eleventh Hour in 2020 America.” Follow him @DanielLDavis1.

42 Comments

42 Comments

  1. Paul Klos

    April 29, 2022 at 2:32 pm

    Err and the US and NATO do this how. Blink away Russian aggression and what pressure Ukraine to accept its a non state and hand over the Crimea and Donbas forever? Wait than until Putin decides he wants more The whole Black sea coast. How much of Georgia or Moldova or the Baltic states…

    One assumes Mr Davis is not living in a country being attacked or asked to give up land, easy to advise from sidelines

  2. CK

    April 29, 2022 at 2:34 pm

    You’re the only one that seems to think (and want) a stalemate over there. IF the Ukrainians win, and contrary to your paper thin arguments, there is every indication that they will in the long term, all your points become moot.

    How does it benefit the security and economy of the United States? Gee whizz, I guess the same way it did in WW2 against the Germans, when we armed Russia? NOT arming Ukraine right now will weaken the US, Europe, NATO, and all the values we stand for, and which only Ukraine these days seems to have the balls and the guts to die for.

    Less of this cowardice please.

    Also, on another note, before Alex even chimes in, the troll went back almost 20+ pages just to saturate every single argument with his usual batshit crazy bullshit. Quite a spectacle, but also very openly shows his Kremlin credentials and time I can only describe is paid for!

    I’ll skip ahead before he starts, with my usual rebuttal:

    Wow, did they run out of paper in Russia, Alex? You guys can’t print new material? Literally using the same lines, over and over again, and now in duplicate in every post across 20+ pages of this website!

    Are you so defeated you can’t even come up with anything new? How sad. Now the idiot is talking about lend-lease at the end of his post, because he literally just copy + pasted it from another thread, with zero relevance to this one.

    Here’s a reminder:

    If someone wanted to know the truth about anything in Ukraine Alex, the last person they would go to is you.

    Paragraphs and paragraphs of bollocks, dubious claims about “independent journalists”, random documentarians, conspiracy theorists, deluded claims that of course, have no backup, lie after lie after lie.

    Classical Kremlin troll approach. Just flood the internet, the comments, the media, with tosh, doesn’t matter what it is, just make sure you write some old nonsense. Make sure to say the claim is supported by some dude in Germany, France, the states. If it’s a “documentary” (usually from youtube) then the better.

    Anything that victimises Russia, always the victim, always the bullied, never the problem. It’s always the Nazis. It’s always some pseudo-historical point.

    Anyone that has had the misfortune to study your “tactics” sees the forest for the trees, the pattern of lies, disinformation, blanketing of random claims, deflection, obfuscation, and other words beyond your vocabulary.

    It’s hopeless Alex. Your lies are as short as your intellect. What a pathetic job, to sit in your government shed, spreading your pathetic, government lies.

    A pathetic job for a truly pathetic man. A better match could not be made in heaven.

  3. Alex

    April 29, 2022 at 3:27 pm

    A distraught young Bandera Nazi runs around the site day and night – it’s great 🙂
    On the subject: Biden is rightly leading the United States into huge domestic problems. If you look at the ease with which Russia destroys equipment in Ukraine, which is supplied by Western countries, then we can conclude that Ukraine is coming to an end.

    • CK

      April 29, 2022 at 7:32 pm

      You’re the only one running around like a headless chicken spiling your bile everywhere. Like a reverse midas, everything you touch turns to shit.

    • Anders

      April 29, 2022 at 9:16 pm

      Gee, I feel that I have heard this Nazi rhetoric before. Was it Putin using it to justify the invasion of Ukraine or was it Putin himself acting like a Nazi? Help me out here Alex – I feel you might have some insights.

      You are right that Russia destroys equipment with ease in Ukraine – cars, bicycles, trains, etc. Military equipment not so much. You know why? The Ukrainian army shoots back and are hard to attack. Better go after civilian targets. Much easier. You can always bury them in mass graves or cremate them in mobile crematories.

      Is Ukraine coming to an end? I rather think it is the Russian wet dream of a quick victory. And who know, maybe also Putin’s presidency. Perhaps it is time to start a war to shore up the public support…

    • George

      May 2, 2022 at 9:54 am

      You poor, deluded soul. I feel terribly sorry for people so wrapped up in ideology and protecting their personal narrative that the truth is a foreign concept.

      Get some help friend, read more than RT, Pravda and Substack articles.

  4. Eric

    April 29, 2022 at 5:08 pm

    Daniel L. Davis published the same argument a few days ago. I disagree with Mr. Davis. Of all places to make the argument against fighting fascism, he is making it here, on 19fourtyfive.com. Have we forgotten the lessons of WWII? Should we really be so cynical and selfish to be concerned more about the price of gasoline than people being butchered in Bucha and elsewhere? No. We should support freedom and democracy and the right to exist as a nation. It should be the policy of the United States to ensure that Ukraine has the opportunity to win the war.

    Capitulating to Russia means genocide for the Ukrainian people. Russian media has been brainwashing the Russian people with genocidal hate speech for YEARS. (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2022/06/ukraine-mass-murder-hate-speech-soviet/629629/) You need only to look to the comments from Alex Russian Troll for confirmation that they deny the reality of Russian atrocities, blame the Ukrainians for crimes committed against Ukrainians, and make up fake reasons why Russia is justified in it’s actions.

    • Anders

      April 29, 2022 at 10:07 pm

      Eric,

      Thanks for sharing. Human Rights Watch and Amnesty do great work.

      Anders

    • from Russia with love

      May 2, 2022 at 9:25 am

      but the guy is good! there is nothing to say here 🙂
      although not.
      what is this? a set of stories that will compose for 100 hryvnia? where are the facts? oh yes, Butch! a settlement in which Russian troops left on March 30 and on March 30 there were no corpses there for some reason. from March 31 to April 2, journalists visited there and did not notice the corpses, the governor reported that the Russians were gone and again did not report anything about a large number of dead, and only on April 2, when Ukrainian special forces entered there to clean up, corpses suddenly appeared. but of course the Russians are to blame 🙂 now the British say that the dead were killed by fletchets, striking elements of shells. which is typical, in Russia such shells are not used. who lies more? Ukrainians or British?
      but the fact that such articles are written for you is quite significant. you can believe this by the fact that your army is just like that. the US military may well rape and shoot civilians and have done it many times. 😉

  5. Doug Hasler

    April 29, 2022 at 5:58 pm

    Russia’s continuing invasion of Ukraine has exacted a terrible cost on Ukrainians — loss of life, cities bombed into rubble, the displacement of millions to other countries. Personally, I would like it if Ukraine could prevail, and all Russian military forces return to Russia. It seems that the war may be reaching a stalemate whereby neither Ukraine or Russia can achieve an outright victory. An end to the war, with neither side winning, seems like it would save lives. However, it is not clear that any “peace” negotiated with Russia will last. Russia annexed Crimea, and fomented separatist movements in Eastern Ukraine in 2014. If a cease fire is declared tomorrow, and territorial boundaries are redrawn to give Russia those lands it currently controls, Russia will have been rewarded for their aggression. Further, what is to stop Russia from reorganizing their forces and invading what remains of Ukraine in two or three years?

    • CK

      April 29, 2022 at 7:33 pm

      Exactly. Ukrainians have been there before, and know who will come knocking again in two, five, ten years.

  6. Anders

    April 29, 2022 at 6:13 pm

    Daniel,

    Like other commentators, I too take issue with your argumentation.

    Your core message is that US, European, and NATO leaders should “put at least as much emphasis and effort in ending the war as they have in extending it:”

    1. Ending a war is not a goal in itself – it depends on the terms. This is important because it has repercussions for European and global security – and the livelihoods of Ukrainians (and its neighbors). Unless, you mean ending the war at any price? Please elaborate.

    2. It is not evident what the US, Europeans, and NATO should do to end the war. Putin has not been interested in negotiation – neither before nor during the war. Are you calling for a no-fly zone, troops on the ground, or something else? I would also encourage all good forces to do more to end the war. The problem is that this is not an actionable recommendation: it is a vague wish with no clear end-game.

    You also call for stronger consideration of “American financial and economic security”. While there indeed are negative, economic spillover effects from the war and the sanctions, they do not appear to materially impact American financial security:

    1. Food prices will rise, but this is not a significant problem for the US (Egypt is another matter, since they import substantial amounts of wheat from Ukraine).

    2. Energy prices will go up, but much more so in Europe than the US (actually benefiting US oil and LNG producers).

    3. Inflation is high in the US, but was so before the war – other dynamics are at work here.

    4. $33 billion is a lot of money and is a more than generous contribution to Ukraine, but represents a relatively modest share of 0.5% of the federal budget ($6.8 trillion) – the cost of the war in Afghanistan was $2,313 billion. Again, hardly macro-critical.

    Best,

    Anders

    • CK

      April 29, 2022 at 7:31 pm

      Very well put!

  7. Martin O

    April 29, 2022 at 6:23 pm

    I’m willing to bet that, had you been German, your signature would have been on the recent documents calling for Ukraine to negotiate (with a madman who refuses to do so). Your advice is about as relevant as the signatures of those members of the left-leaning German un-intelligentsia.

    • Anders

      April 29, 2022 at 9:04 pm

      It is actually interesting to note that it was the “tree-hugging” Green Party that led the charge within the German traffic-light government to supply Ukraine with heavy weapons… A recent op-ed in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung called for the response to Putin to be “solidarity and panzer.” Let’s hope the Germans have seen the light and stop fiddling with the “Ostpolitik”.

    • William Craddock

      April 30, 2022 at 9:06 pm

      At the outset of the Russian invasion, had we pursued clandestine nightime raids, utilizing our unidentifiable Stealth assets like our B-2’s, F-22’s and F-35’s, using the same successful tactics of Operation Anaconda, which swiftly toppled the crack Taliban armored divisions, and achieved a decisive final Northern Alliance victory.
      Putin’s invading ground, air and sea assets would’ve plausibly and totally trashed within a week of his hoodlums crossing the border, all of the above probably taking place within 50-60 miles of the border. Purely defensive weapons like the Stinger and Javelin missiles donated by Pres. Brandon have made a difference, but as a result the war is dragging on, with failure by our President to pursue the low risk strategy high reward above has resulted in ravaged Ukrainean cities, Families and Refugees. As I said before, had Biden been a Ukrainean Citizen, Pres. Zelansky could plausibly have Biden arrested for Treason, while at the same time Biden would also be deservingly eligible for Russia’s highest Military decorations for minimizing much overdue and much deserved casualties.

  8. Commentar

    April 29, 2022 at 7:21 pm

    Biden is counting or relying on the hollow expectation he can finish off russia using his ‘mike tyson’ one-two punch of global sanctions and a niagara scale western arms lift to ukraine.

    What biden can’t understand or see is he’s very recklessly ESCALATING the already terrible situation in europe that could soon lead to US or UK boots on the ground and before anyone realises it, it’s WW3 !!!

    The gravelly voiced biden with his unsteady gait is clearly troubled in the thinking dept by dementia and possibly alzhemier and even parkinson’s but he’s the president of USA and thus has authority to lead the world into the final apocalypse, through the gate of megiddo and armageddon.

    The USA, the beacon of humanity, the shining light of the world, yeah. With biden in charge.

    • Anders

      April 29, 2022 at 9:31 pm

      Commentar, the interesting thing here is that it is Russian and Putin that are in the driver’s seat. Russia started the war against a country whose sovereignty Russia had committed to uphold. Russia chose to shell cities and kill innocent civilians. Russia chose to use enlisted soldiers (and continue to do so) against their will. Russia refuses to provide safe corridors for the citizens of Mariupol. Russia is not stopping its attacks.

      Yes, the United States and Biden play a supporting role – along with 40+ countries, further supported by a UN resolution backed by 100+ countries. So yes, the United States (not American myself) is a beacon of hope and democracy (not a perfect one but that is OK).

      Where is Russia in your narrative – I sort of miss that perspective. What do you think they should do? Keep bombing civilians, bring more forces into Donbas, or withdraw their troops to the pre-2014 borders. Just sort of puzzled that you are not saying what the aggressor should do when Russia is clearly calling the shots (no pun intended).

  9. CK

    April 29, 2022 at 7:36 pm

    Funny, here I was thinking it was PUTIN that is recklessly ESCALATING things by invading a neighbouring country, committing atrocities, and CONSTANTLY threatening nuclear war.

    But somehow, when countries fight back, THEY are escalating?

    I also want to point out Putin hasn’t exactly looked healthy recently. You see him holding onto that table for dear life, looking strained and like he’s about to shit his pants?

    There are rumours he too might have alzheimers/parkinsons/cancer.

    But even if he didn’t, HE’S THE ONE PUTTING THE WORLD IN DANGER.

    • Vladolph Putler

      April 29, 2022 at 11:46 pm

      The world was always in danger. Putin’s sabre rattling puts *Russia* in danger.

      With all the flopping about and threatening nuclear strike- it’s entirely possible that it might be taken seriously. So what happens when it is taken seriously? Massive coordinated preemptive strike. Starting with neutralizing second strike assets.

      Probably not smart to be the one standing by Russia when it happens. Decades of Cold War nuclear strike posture say it’s probably a REALLY bad idea.

      Hopefully cool heads will prevail. But if not, there will someday be stories about that radioactive wasteland in the frigid North. What did they call it? *Shrug* I can’t remember.

    • Diana Silverman

      May 5, 2022 at 11:26 pm

      Most of the comments are absurd and show little knowledge about Pandora Papers Zelensky who also has responsibility for the current situation including making Ukraine arms dealers heaven searcher for peace that he isn’t.

      And anyone who believes this situation helps the United States is living in LaLa land.
      There are a growing list of countries that are sick of US sanctions sick of dependence on a country that is internally out of control despite a superficial unity over Ukraine.

      And the Ukraine a poor country will definitely not come out of this situation better off only a dependency on the EU and US. No sovereignty there just people’s lives ruined with Zelensky US NATO and EU/Germany to blame as Putin.

  10. David Chang

    April 29, 2022 at 7:57 pm

    I agree with Mr. Davis, think about
    Currency devaluation, Green New Deal, and Navy 2023 budget proposal,
    Democratic and Communist party are destroying currency and economy around the world.

    Mr. Biden, Zelensky and Putin shall stop war as soon as possible and repent to God together.

    God bless people in the world.

  11. Alex

    April 30, 2022 at 5:35 am

    According to the latest data, Poland, Hungary, Slovakia and Romania have prepared a secret document on the division of western Ukraine. Finally, the peoples of the west of Ukraine will get to Europe. But there is another document about what European countries will do with the Bandera Nazis, whom they hate. This development of events is not a secret; many analysts have written and continue to write about it. The good news is that the Ukrainians of the East will return to their Russian brothers, and we will return our original Polish territories. It’s just great!

  12. CK

    April 30, 2022 at 6:03 am

    Sometimes, I envy your delusions Alex. The world you live in must be fascinating!

    One minute you accuse us of being Bandera Nazis, the next that we will crush Bandera Nazis, one moment we are enemies, next moment we are “liberators” of Ukraine …

    Go easy on that Vodka man, I hear medical supplies are so low over there you’ll soon have to be using it to clean wounds!

  13. Alex

    April 30, 2022 at 7:47 am

    “NATO is a ploy, it is a structure whose purpose is to hide America’s dominance over Europe.”
    Charles de Gaulle.

    It must be understood that Europe will also be responsible for subordinating the United States. Questions “what are we for” are no longer important for Russia. If Europe wants to become a bargaining chip in the battle against Bandera’s Nazis, then so be it. Personally, I, like many acquaintances from Poland, are going to Russia. There are more chances to survive in Russia. And let the idiots die for US interests in Ukraine.

    • Anders

      April 30, 2022 at 10:24 am

      Алекс,

      Просто дружеское напоминание о том, что ваши коллеги из Федеральной службы безопасности Российской Федерации и Службы внешней разведки Российской Федерации могут недоброжелательно относиться к вашим завсегдатаям декадентских западных сайтов, таких как этот. Будь осторожен.

      Андерс

  14. CK

    April 30, 2022 at 8:57 am

    “I, like many of my acquaintances from Poland, are going to Russia.”

    You know what they say, if it sounds like an idiot, looks like an idiot, and says idiotic things like an idiot, it’s probably an idiot! 😀

    Alex, there isn’t a single person in Poland with an ounce of grey matter in their heads going to Russia. Although in your case, I guess that explains everything.

    Bon voyage!

  15. Francis Maikisch

    April 30, 2022 at 9:37 am

    Well said.

  16. Alex

    May 1, 2022 at 6:57 am

    And now, not stupid propaganda from pseudo-journalists and squealing Bandera bastards, but real facts. Let’s see how Russia “lost”:

    In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, Russia has destroyed 143 aircraft, 112 helicopters, 660 unmanned aerial vehicles, 279 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,678 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 308 multiple rocket launchers, 1,196 field artillery pieces and mortars, as well as 2,503 units of special military vehicles. Destroyed 43.814 Bandera Nazis and soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. 3,540 soldiers surrendered.

    Utilization of US and NATO equipment is proceeding according to plan:
    High-precision missiles “Onyx” in the Odessa region at a military airfield destroyed a hangar with weapons and ammunition received from the United States and European countries, and also destroyed the runway.

    Every day, the flags of the people’s militia of Donbass, Russia and Chechnya are raised over a new liberated settlement. Everything can be seen on the map of hostilities.

    A French journalist released another film about the atrocities of Bandera Nazi bastards. The photo and video evidence is simply amazing – these bastards of Bandera Nazis only need to be exterminated, finally and completely.

    The point is that no matter how hard the pseudo-journalists try to lie, the truth inevitably comes to the surface.

    By the way, Russian special forces seized important documents from one of the American biological laboratories in Ukraine. The announcement is this: the experiments that the Americans conducted on people, on Ukrainians, amaze the imagination with their cruelty.

    I will say this: “Hello, new Third Reich, you will also be destroyed.” History is cyclical. Again the West is trying to defeat Russia and will be defeated again.

  17. CK

    May 1, 2022 at 8:05 am

    Hey Alex, look at this! You’re in the news!

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/01/troll-factory-spreading-russian-pro-war-lies-online-says-uk

    “Russian internet trolls based in an old arms factory in St Petersburg are targeting world leaders online and spreading support for Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, the British government has said, citing research.”

    “The headquarters is allegedly located in rented space in St Petersburg’s Arsenal Machine-building Factory, a company that manufactures military equipment and technology.”

    “The study details how the Russian president’s regime is trying to manipulate public opinion on social media, as well as in the comments sections of major media outlets.”

    “The analysis suggests one main activity is “brigading”, to steer attention of discussion on social media and in comments sections of newspapers towards favoured opinions. Manipulation of polls in western media was also observed, including to skew the results of a survey on whether sanctions against Russia were supported.”

    Does this look like anyone we know?

  18. CK

    May 1, 2022 at 9:43 am

    Hey Alex, look at this! You’re in the news!

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/01/troll-factory-spreading-russian-pro-war-lies-online-says-uk

    “Russian internet trolls based in an old arms factory in St Petersburg are targeting world leaders online and spreading support for Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine, the British government has said, citing research.”

    “The headquarters is allegedly located in rented space in St Petersburg’s Arsenal Machine-building Factory, a company that manufactures military equipment and technology.”

    “The study details how the Russian president’s regime is trying to manipulate public opinion on social media, as well as in the comments sections of major media outlets.”

    “The analysis suggests one main activity is “brigading”, to steer attention of discussion on social media and in comments sections of newspapers towards favoured opinions. Manipulation of polls in western media was also observed, including to skew the results of a survey on whether sanctions against Russia were supported.”

    Does this look like anyone we know? Also, sucks that they are making you work on a Saturday man! Is it that bad over there you guys can’t make ends meet?

    Does Sveta not have enough clients? Reach out man, we want to help!

    Here’s a reminder:

    If someone wanted to know the truth about anything in Ukraine Alex, the last person they would go to is you.

    Paragraphs and paragraphs of bollocks, dubious claims about “independent journalists”, random documentarians, conspiracy theorists, deluded claims that of course, have no backup, lie after lie after lie.

    Classical Kremlin troll approach. Just flood the internet, the comments, the media, with tosh, doesn’t matter what it is, just make sure you write some old nonsense. Make sure to say the claim is supported by some dude in Germany, France, the states. If it’s a “documentary” (usually from youtube) then the better.

    Anything that victimises Russia, always the victim, always the bullied, never the problem. It’s always the Nazis. It’s always some pseudo-historical point.

    Anyone that has had the misfortune to study your “tactics” sees the forest for the trees, the pattern of lies, disinformation, blanketing of random claims, deflection, obfuscation, and other words beyond your vocabulary.

    It’s hopeless Alex. Your lies are as short as your intellect. What a pathetic job, to sit in your government shed, spreading your pathetic, government lies.

    A pathetic job for a truly pathetic man. A better match could not be made in heaven.

  19. George

    May 1, 2022 at 3:18 pm

    We are not dealing with a rational actor, Putin does not even believe the Ukranian people exist without the warm embrace of Mother Russia. He believes the country has no right to exist and your response to a vicious invasion, where they are even stealing grain from Ukraine’s fields, is to beg for peace?

    What nerve! I can’t stomach people willing to sacrifice other people’s liberty for their own comfort and benefit.

    Incredibly weak argumentation on your part, you’re peddling nonsense.

  20. CK

    May 1, 2022 at 4:58 pm

    Btw Alex, you should be careful. I hear buildings are just randomly exploding all over Russia these days. Must be something in the weather?

    Would be an awful shame if anything were to happen to the Arsenal Machine-Building Plant in St.Petersburg while you were inside typing out your lies…

  21. Alex

    May 2, 2022 at 8:07 am

    In the meantime, the Bandera Nazi from the Ukrainian troll factory lost his voice from screeching and choked on bile, let’s talk about how the day went:

    Politico reported thousands of foreigners fighting on the side of Ukraine
    Combat-trained Americans, along with thousands of other foreigners, are participating in the military operations in Ukraine on the side of Kyiv. Such an assessment is given in an article published in the American edition of Politico. The publication refers to retired military and employees of American PMCs, who are currently on the territory of Ukraine.

    The material notes that in Ukraine, in particular, the Task Force Yankee group, headed by the American Harrison Yosefovitz, operates. He previously worked as a police officer in Chicago, Illinois, and also served in the US Army (ground forces).

    On April 29, CNN, citing the family of an American citizen and PMC mercenary Willie Joseph, reported his death in Ukraine. According to the mother of the mercenary, he went to Poland on March 12 and crossed the border into Ukraine on March 12-13. The woman noted that in the group of mercenaries, in which her son was, there were citizens of “a variety of countries.”

    The mercenaries come from the USA, Canada, Georgia, Great Britain, Poland and Romania.
    More than a thousand mercenaries have already been destroyed. About a thousand more refused to participate in hostilities and returned to their former extremist deployment sites.

    The remaining 4.8-5 thousand foreign mercenaries should return to their states, since, according to international law, they are deprived of legal protection and “at best” they will face long-term imprisonment. As we understand, most likely they will never return home. an easy walk to hunt people turned out to be a trap forever.

    Representatives of the military-civilian administration of Kherson raised the Russian flag on the building of the local executive committee in the Russian-controlled village of Chernobaevka, where the Kherson international airport is located.
    Russian security forces also removed Ukrainian signs from the building of the local administration.
    According to the residents of Chernobaevka, the former head of the village administration, Igor Dudar, fled to the territory controlled by Ukraine. During his reign, the Eternal Flame was extinguished at the monument to the fallen heroes of the Great Patriotic War, and photographs of veterans were taken from the village Board of Honor. Now, as assured in the military-civilian administration, all this will be corrected.

    Over the past day, from 8:00 am on May 1 to 8:00 am on May 2, 159 people, including 29 children, were evacuated from Mariupol to Bezymennoe, Novoazovsky District. Then people flee to Russia. Do you need more evidence of who is the aggressor and the killer, and to whom they run for help? Yes, propagandists and liars cannot change this.

    During the day, Russian air defense systems destroyed 10 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles in the areas of the settlements of Vesele, Borshchevo and Balakleya in the Kharkiv region, Kisylivka in the Kherson region, Mayak in the Zaporozhye region, Dokuchaev, Korsun and Khanzhinkovo ​​of the Donetsk People’s Republic, as well as in the area of ​​the city of Lugansk. Western drones turned out to be just targets for Russia and Donbass.

    High-precision air-launched missiles hit 38 Ukrainian military facilities in a day. Among them are four command posts, 30 strongholds, areas of concentration of manpower and Ukrainian military equipment, and three warehouses of missile and artillery weapons in the areas of Pervomayskoye and Ilyichevka settlements.

    The Osa AKM air defense system and a battery of multiple launch rocket systems in the Arkhangelovka area were also destroyed. Aviation of the Russian Aerospace Forces hit 27 strongholds, areas of concentration of manpower and military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as well as a depot of rocket and artillery weapons and ammunition in the area of ​​​​the village of Chervonoe, Zaporozhye region. Up to 160 personnel and 26 units of Ukrainian armored vehicles were destroyed.

    During the day, the missile forces hit nine strongholds and areas of concentration of manpower and equipment, as well as the BM-21 Grad and an artillery battery in firing positions. Artillery subunits hit 26 command and control posts, 78 strongholds, 359 manpower and equipment concentration areas, and 67 artillery firing positions. Six ammunition depots, up to 280 personnel and 43 units of weapons and military equipment of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed.

    In total, since the beginning of the special military operation, Russia has destroyed 146 aircraft, 112 helicopters, 683 unmanned aerial vehicles, 281 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,756 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 316 multiple rocket launchers, 1,234 field artillery and mortar guns, as well as 2,563 units of special military vehicles. All this is confirmed and documented. Now tell us about 200,000 dead Russians and 5,000 destroyed Russian tanks, clowns.

    The Ukrainian authorities are seeking the evacuation of all those at the Azovstal plant in Mariupol to the territory controlled by Kyiv in order to hide the presence among the military countries.

    Among those at the plant there are a large number of characters who will confirm the presence of mercenaries, and perhaps acting officers of the Western armies on the side of the Ukrainian radicals.

    Does the elimination of the influence of a few dozen (even thousands) of Nazis deserve to put a country of forty million at risk? This is not a completely correct question. This is a question that concerns the fundamental security interests of the Russian Federation.

    We all remember the beginning of Nazism in Ukraine:
    persecution of the Russian Orthodox Church, the Russian language and the Russian media was carried out, sales of all printed materials in Russian were stopped, laws were adopted to promote Nazi theory and practice.

    The whole world understood that Ukraine is not worth starting a nuclear war, for which all the peoples of Russia are ready, but the peoples of the West are not ready. However, if crazy politicians want to try, it will be as President Putin said: “… we will all go to heaven, and you all will just die …”. Most importantly, the majority of Russians supported his words. Are you ready for war with Russia? Then go ahead and try it.

    • George

      May 2, 2022 at 9:59 am

      True story, Bro! I swear!

    • George

      May 2, 2022 at 10:06 am

      And, honestly, yes, I am ready for war with Russia if that’s what it takes to keep these savages out of sovereign countries, committing mass rape and murder, and looting the country on a state level (Hint: agricultural equipment and tons and tons of wheat looted..plenty of video evidence too!)

      Unfortunately, the conflict would turn nuclear fast because the US would simply stroll to Moscow due to the pitiful state of the Russian military and people due to corruption and incompetence.

  22. CK

    May 2, 2022 at 9:07 am

    You can smell the panic when the story changes day by day.

    Day 1: We will take Kiev in 3 days! (Alex put’s on clown shoes)

    Day 2: All Bandera-Nazis will be crushed! (Alex puts own striped clown trousers, with suspenders)

    Day 3: Retreat is all part of the master plan! The Moskva suffered a fire! We remain master strategists! (Alex puts on clown shirt, with a water squirtie flower in his pocket)

    Day 4: Don’t look at Ukraine! Look at Biden, Afghanistan, Iraq, BLM, MAGA, Trump, Hunter Biden, look at the birds, Elon Musk, anywhere but what we are doing in Ukraine! (Alex puts on his clown makeup)

    Day 5: Look at all these fake documentaries, all these fake independent reporters, these pseudo-histocal facts, all this nonsense! (Alex puts on his bright green clown wig)

    Day 6: Donbas Militia will crush everyone in East! Battle of encirclement is imminent! Victory shall be ours, we swear bro, plz believe bruh! (Alex puts on his clown gloves)

    Day 7: No! We are not losing, it’s just because now there are thousands of Americans and Irishmen and Scots and god knows who else fighting with the Americans! We’d totes be winning if it weren’t for those pesky kids! (Alex grabs his clown equipment)

    Day 8+: Alex is revealed for the clown he is.

    Every day a different story huh? No wonder you clowns can’t get shit done in Ukraine, you have no focus.

  23. Alex

    May 2, 2022 at 9:32 am

    I like your hysteria, Bandera Nazi. A beggar, vicious juvenile troll from the poorest country in Eurasia – Ukraine, who hid behind his mother’s skirt and does not fight with a machine gun in his hands, but squeals and hysteria here like a patient of the Lviv Regional Psychiatric Hospital. But we remember. what do you write from there. And here are two buts:
    1. Attributing other people’s words and fantasies to me will not work.
    2. All my data is easy to verify and is based on the state media of Western and Eastern countries, as well as independent journalists, whom you cannot accuse of lying, because they have an extremely high reputation in their field.
    Bottom line: which of us is a clown, you can see right away and it’s you. Tell your handlers you’re pathetic, unfit for the job, and you’re being paid 10 cents an hour for nothing.

  24. George

    May 2, 2022 at 10:06 am

    And, honestly, yes, I am ready for war with Russia if that’s what it takes to keep these savages out of sovereign countries, committing mass rape and murder, and looting the country on a state level (Hint: agricultural equipment and tons and tons of wheat looted..plenty of video evidence too!)

    Unfortunately, the conflict would turn nuclear fast because the US would simply stroll to Moscow due to the pitiful state of the Russian military and people due to corruption and incompetence.

  25. Alex

    May 2, 2022 at 12:27 pm

    George, I’m sure you will fight as bravely against the incompetent Russian military as Hans once did. And he came to Moscow! He walked along Red Square, albeit sadly lowering his head, and cars followed him and his comrades, which cleaned their tracks with water.

    George, right now you have to help the Bandera Nazis and set off to free them from the catacombs of the factory in Mariupol, where they have already begun to eat each other.

    • George

      May 2, 2022 at 5:18 pm

      You can count on it Alex! I have no military training but have owned and fired weapons my whole life. That alone makes me more qualified to fight than the miserable Russian conscripts sent to Ukraine to die by the thousands. (I just watched a video interview of some poor Russian kid that had never fired his weapon until he was sent to Ukraine, no training, nothing! And, he had no clue he was going to war in Ukraine, being told it was a training exercise in Belarus.)

      I don’t have kids either, so no roadblocks to heading out to fight savages there. I wouldn’t like it at all but I would not hesitate to fight and defend my home, family and community to defeat Russian aggression.

      Here’s the kicker, I’m a flaming, commie liberal in the US who thinks this way. Can you imagine what our hardcore boys want to get up to with Russia? They are chomping at the bit to get some of that sweet destruction that the Ukrainian military are dishing out to the invaders each day.

      Want to know how pathetic the Russian army is? Watch this “unboxing” video of an Orlan drone: https://www.reddit.com/r/drones/comments/u4eed3/unboxing_of_russian_orlan_aerial_vehicle_military/

      The mighty russians put a freaking off-the-shelf canon camera body in their “cutting edge” drone. No access to replacement parts for their military? Just go to any electronics store and buy a $200 dollar camera and you’ve matched the technological output of Russian scientists. HAHAHA

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