Eurofighter Typhoon German pilots claimed they had ‘Raptor salad for lunch‘ after shooting down F-22s in a training exercise. Their own after-action report told a very different story — they couldn’t get within 20 miles of the jets before being targeted.
Eurofighter Typhoon vs. F-22 Raptor: Who Really Won?
In another story that just won’t die in social media circles, back in 2012, two German Eurofighter Typhoons “shot down” US F-22 Raptors in a Red Flag exercise in Alaska.
Of course, the press had a field day with it. ABC News reported that the F-22 Raptor may “own the skies at modern long-range air combat, it is ‘evenly matched’ with cheaper, foreign jets when it comes to old-school dogfighting.”
Eurofighter Typhoon Aircraft NATO. Image Credit: Creative Commons.
Eurofighter Typhoon. Image Created by Ideogram.
The Red Flag Exercise is a premier, realistic aerial combat training exercise held multiple times annually at Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada, and Eielson AFB, Alaska.
Established in 1975, it prepares aircrews from the U.S. and allied nations for combat by simulating the most dangerous missions of modern warfare, with a focus on high-end, multi-domain warfighting.
And in exercises where the parameters are often rigidly set, “notional shootdowns” will occur.
The F-22 has notionally been shot down by F-16s in the past, as well as an EA-18G Growler during a training exercise, with photographic evidence appearing in 2009 showing a Growler with an F-22 kill mark, demonstrating the Growler’s advanced electronic warfare capabilities.
The German Pilots Milked It For All It Was Worth:
The German pilots also sported Raptor “kill” decals on their Typhoons. “Gott im Himmel, das ist ‘n Wunder.” Yawn.
The Germans claimed that the notional “kills” proved that they had “Raptor salad for lunch.”
It sounds like they were quite impressed with themselves.
U.S. Air Force F-22 Raptor pilots assigned to 27th Expeditionary Fighter Squadron, Joint Base Langley-Eustis, Virginia, conduct a capabilities brief at Rimba Air Force Base, Brunei Darussalam, on Aug. 7, 2024. This year marks the 40th anniversary since the United States established diplomatic relations with Brunei Darussalam. (U.S. Air Force photo by Senior Airman Mitchell Corley)
An F-22 Raptor performs an aerial demonstration at Naval Air Station Oceana, Virginia, Sept. 19, 2025. Rapid changes in angle of attack create visible vapor around the aircraft, providing a clear view of its aerodynamic performance. This demonstration highlights the F-22’s advanced maneuvering capabilities, showcasing its speed, agility, and thrust-vectoring performance. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Lauren Cobin)
Two German officers, Col. Andreas Pfeiffer and Maj. Marco Gumbrecht, noted in an after-action report that the F-22’s capabilities are “overwhelming” when it comes to modern, long-range combat as the stealth fighter is designed to engage multiple enemies well-beyond the pilot’s natural field of vision – mostly while the F-22 is still out of the other plane’s range.
Grumbrecht said that even if his planes did everything right, they couldn’t get within 20 miles of the next-generation jets before being targeted.
U.S. Air Force Airmen reveal the name of Lt. Col. Richard Williams, commander of the 90th Fighter Squadron, on an F-22 Raptor following the 90th FS change-of-command ceremony on Joint Base Elmendorf-Richardson, Alaska, March 16, 2026. (U.S. Air Force photo by Airman Keola Vischi)
“But as soon as you get to the merge…” Pfeiffer said, referring to the point at which fighters engage in close-up dogfighting, “in that area, at least, the Typhoon doesn’t necessarily have to fear the F-22 in all aspects… In the dogfight, the Eurofighter is at least as capable as the F-22, with advantages in some aspects.”
The E/A-18 Growler story was revealed by Stephen Trimble of Flight Global, who told aviationgeekclub.com how he learned about it.
But What About the Parameters Of This Exercise:
Alex Hollings of Air Power wrote that, “After the exercises were over, Germany’s Eurofighter pilots arrived at 2012’s Farnborough International Air Show, where they were quick to discuss their victories over the F-22.
“According to David Cenciotti’s coverage for The Aviationist, Germany’s Typhoon pilots explained that when the F-22 was flying with external fuel tanks attached and fighting within visual range, Typhoons were often able to outclass the Raptor.
“The Raptor pilots, flying within visual range, probably spotted the Eurofighter first, but for some reason did not engage its Sidewinders,” Dr. Brent Eastwood wrote. Things that make you go hmm.
Also lost in the hoopla of the ABC News story was the Air Force’s statement that the Raptors flew 80 missions during the event “with a very high mission success rate.”
The F-22 Raptor Is “Still The One”:
The US F-22 Raptor has been the standard against which all fighter aircraft have been measured for more than 21 years. Yet it still sits at the top of the mountain in terms of dogfighting ability, stealth, supercruise ability, maneuverability, and integrated avionics.
What makes the F-22 great in a dogfight is the aircraft’s thrust vectoring capabilities.
F-22 Raptor Diagram from National Museum of the U.S. Air Force. Image Credit: Harry J. Kazianis.
Its two engines have specially designed nozzles at their ends that can move on a vertical plane to vector the aircraft’s 70,000 pounds of thrust in one direction even if the aircraft is heading in another, thus allowing the F-22 to do some impressive acrobatics, as well as leverage a highly high angle of attack during a within-visual-range engagement.
The Raptor’s top speed is Mach 2.25 or 1,500 mph, powered by the Pratt & Whitney F119 turbofan engines.
The USAF currently has approximately 175 combat-ready F-22s in its inventory.
“When you’re flying the Raptor, you’re not thinking about flying the Raptor,” explained F-22 pilot Randy Gordon in a lecture he gave at MIT, “You’re thinking about employing the Raptor. Flying is secondary.”
“Raptor has vector thrust: Typhoon doesn’t,” RAF Typhoon pilot and squadron commander Rich Wells told Breaking Defense in 2013. “What the aircraft can do is incredible. The Typhoon just doesn’t do that.”
While rare, this “shootdown” of a stealth fighter is hardly a singular event. Whenever the situation or training scenario is constrained, it undermines the stealth fighter’s advantages.
However, it doesn’t mean that the Growler is equal to the Raptor, nor does it mean that the Typhoon is the F-22’s equal. It was simply a matter of cherry-picking some exercises that were stacked in one side’s favor.
The F-22 Raptor Demonstration Team uniform is worn during a practice demonstration at Langley Air Force Base, Virginia, Nov. 13, 2025. The all-black flight suit is a signature look for Air Combat Command demonstration teams. (U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Lauren Cobin)
A U.S. Air Force F-22 Raptor and a KC-135 Stratotanker, assigned to the 434th Air Refueling Wing, Grissom Air Reserve Base, Ind., conduct aerial refueling over the continental United States, Aug. 21, 2018, during the Northern Lightning 18-2 exercise. Northern Lightning is one of seven Air National Guard joint accredited exercises held at a Combat Readiness Training Center and provides tailored, cost-effective and realistic combat training for participating units in a joint and multinational environment. (U.S. Air National Guard photo by Tech. Sgt. Mary E. Greenwood)
Recent headlines from China featured statements from Chinese computer programmers who claimed that the J-20 would win engagements 95 percent of the time against the F-22.
However, that is if the J-20s had two “loyal wingmen.” The US is also developing the same program.
The Collaborative Combat Aircraft (CCA) program is a US Air Force initiative to develop a new type of uncrewed, jet-powered aircraft that will operate alongside and collaborate with crewed fighter jets. These are already flying and being tested.
However, in the same computer simulations conducted by Chinese programmers, it was reported that a single J-20 equipped with eight medium-range air-to-air missiles had less than a 10 percent chance of defeating an F-22 equipped with six AIM-120C missiles.
This is one of those neat, “let’s talk smack in the O’Club” stories. But ask those same German pilots if they’d rather have a Typhoon or a Raptor.
About the Author: Steve Balestrieri
Steve Balestrieri is a National Security Columnist. He served as a US Army Special Forces NCO and Warrant Officer. In addition to writing on defense, he covers the NFL for PatsFans.com and is a member of the Pro Football Writers of America (PFWA). His work was regularly featured in many military publications.
