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Joe Biden Needs to Send M1 Abrams Tanks to Ukraine

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M1 Abrams Tank firing. Image Credit: Creative Commons.

The front lines of the Ukraine war are largely static today. But, come Spring, both sides will try to redraw them. If Kyiv is to gain the upper hand, leaders in the U.S. and Ukraine assess that the Ukrainians will need more armored vehicles, especially tanks. Thus far, however, the Biden administration has declined to send them the best tank in the world: the M1 Abrams.

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President Zelenskyy has directly requested tanks from Western allies. At a recent meeting at Ramstein airbase, he told Western defense ministers, “Hundreds of thank-yous are not hundreds of tanks.”

The West’s response has been mixed. The U.K. has pledged to send 14 of its Challenger 2 tanks. Germany said it would send Leopard 2 tanks only if the U.S. sent M1 Abrams tanks, though Poland said it would be willing to send some of its Leopard 2 tanks.

This is a moment for Europe to demonstrate leadership. Poland and the U.K. are doing just that. Germany, which is dependent on Russian energy, should support Ukraine by sending its own Leopard 2 tanks and confirming it will allow other countries to re-export theirs.

Time for the M1 Abrams

But where does the U.S. stand on the tank question? Some American aid is forthcoming: the U.S. recently announced a new aid package to Ukraine that will include armored personnel carriers and Bradley fighting vehicles.

But when asked why the Pentagon wouldn’t be sending M1 Abrams main battle tanks, Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Colin Kahl replied, “I just don’t think we’re there yet … The Abrams is a very complicated piece of equipment. It’s expensive. It’s hard to train on. It has a jet engine.”

Kahl’s reasons are simply not good enough justification. The Abrams is indeed a complicated piece of equipment, but so are many of the other systems already sent to Ukraine, and the Ukrainian military has shown itself highly capable and able to quickly put Western military equipment to use.

Contrary to claims that the Abrams runs only on “jet fuel,” the tank can run on diesel just by swapping out its fuel filter. Maintenance is a challenge, but again, maintenance is an issue for all complex equipment, and Ukraine seems to be doing fine with the other equipment it has received since the war began. The “jet engine” he mentions—the Abrams’ Honeywell turbine engine—is designed to be swapped out, not repaired on-site, meaning its complexity would be a non-issue for Ukrainian maintainers.

Bottom line: Kahl’s excuses for not sending Abrams tanks don’t stand up to close examination. The natural conclusion is that the Biden administration’s reluctance really stems from its continued fear of provoking an escalation with Russia.

It’s time to move past this fear. Russia is killing innocent civilians with indiscriminate missile attacks. The goal must be Ukrainian victory; bringing that about sooner will save lives.

And how might the U.S. help bring about that victory sooner? By sending tanks. Take it from Army Chief of Staff Gen. James McConville, who recently said, “you don’t need armor—unless you want to win.”

The U.S. does not have a ready stockpile of extra tanks. It does, however, have ways it could quickly provide tanks to Ukraine.

The Marine Corps turned in its Abrams tanks in 2020 and 2021, after deciding to narrowly tailor its fighting capabilities to potential conflicts in the Pacific. The Corps’ 447 tanks have already been transferred to the Army, and after some modifications could be redirected to Ukraine.

The U.S. could also strike a deal with one or more of its allies who have export versions of the Abrams tanks. Egypt, Iraq, and Kuwait all have the Abrams. The U.S. could agree to send them replacement tanks in the future in exchange for rapidly delivering their current tanks to Ukraine.

There are multiple ways to get M1 Abrams tanks to Ukraine if the U.S. has the will. It is vital that such a transfer should happen before Spring operations commence.

Maiya Clark is a senior research associate in The Heritage Foundation’s Center for National Defense, focusing on defense industrial base issues. In this role, she researches and writes on the industrial base, military procurement, and acquisition and industrial policy with an eye towards improving the resilience and capabilities of these key areas. Among other topics she has written on naval shipyards, the Defense Production Act, and supply chain management. Maiya Clark’s research and views have been quoted widely in the defense media.

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Maiya Clark is a research associate in The Heritage Foundation’s Center for National Defense, focusing on defense industrial base issues. In this role, she researches and writes on the industrial base, military procurement, and acquisition and industrial policy with an eye towards improving the resilience and capabilities of these key areas. Among other topics she has written on naval shipyards, the Defense Production Act, and supply chain management. Maiya Clark’s research and views have been quoted widely in the defense media.

22 Comments

22 Comments

  1. I. Martin

    January 23, 2023 at 4:49 pm

    I suspect the U.S. is afraid of showing the weakness of the Abrams. It’s not a practical Main Battle Tank. It might be captured by the Russians. Who knows? It’s something like 3 gallons to the mile.

  2. ATM

    January 23, 2023 at 6:50 pm

    Once again the Ukrainians would be the victims of such a policy.
    Russia would cut off rail service. They have allowed rail service to function in Ukraine to avert an all out Humanitarian disaster but as NATO escalates so have has the Russian response. For now we see electrical grids and basic city services hit, but if the west tried to send a 1000 tanks they would have to be trucked in with 60 to 80 percent loses before they make it to the front.

  3. 404NotFound

    January 23, 2023 at 6:52 pm

    Biden needs to send, not just abrams, but also b-52 bombers and f-35 fighters to eastern ukraine.

    Now is the time to finish what hitler and napoleon started but failed to achieve in the past. The conquest of russia.

    One last push and biden can celebrate the victory. The victory that eluded both hitler and his earlier counterpart.

    Biden will enter the history books as the greatest hero.

  4. Jim

    January 23, 2023 at 7:27 pm

    Inadequate as the M1 Abrams might be on the open plains of Ukraine (who knows maybe the Ukrainians get the hang of it).

    It sets up the distinct possibility of a direct conflict between the United States and Russia.

    Where is the (Russian) line of… all the weapons are yours… with United States (Nato) in country support & logistics for such weapons…

    Training, equipping, fuelling and tactical intelligence & tactical strategy… when does it become our army and our war?

    At some point an opponent decides to strike… in a way which offends our sense of… (our own red lines) and it escalates from there…

    The #1 priority, avoid a General European War.

    Given the deliberate considerations the Biden administration has acted with regarding additional deep strike weapons… I hope the Biden administration shares with me and many others, the desire to avoid a General European War.

  5. Johnny Ray

    January 23, 2023 at 7:46 pm

    Discussion about the battle performance and other measurable characteristics of the M1 Abrams have become muted if not moot because politics got in the way. Sending Abrams says “we love you”, not sending them says, “we don’t want to commit”. The President says, on other podiums, “sure, we are committed”.

    And so, at this point, the USA has no other good option than to send a credible number of Abrams overseas, or from Poland, and run them down the road to fight the Russians.

    We will find out by test of fire whether they work, or not. Frankly, I have no clue.

  6. Commentar

    January 23, 2023 at 9:31 pm

    Biden has to send M1 abrams to ukraine from US stocks already stored away in remote norwegian caves, as soon as possible, or immediately.

    Apart from abrams, biden needs to supply depleted uranium ammo to ukraine.

    By sending abrams and DU to ukraine, putin will finally wake up and see he’s no more wandering in dream land.

    Putin, or his successor, will then remove the covers from his nuke arsrenal and fire some of them right away.

    That will bring about a whole new chapter in the history of modern warfare. One that will impress even genghis himself.

  7. 3L120

    January 23, 2023 at 11:38 pm

    Ah,t get magnanimous Russians, doing their best to avert a humanitarian crisis while they target civilian centers. Next they will be airdropping rations along with the cluster bombs.

    On the other hand, don’t give up on the USMC tanks just yet. The next Commandant may not feel the same way as Berger. Most retired Marines, from generals to sergeants think his reorganization is a horrible idea.

    Finally, the Ukrainians are going to have a logistical nightmare trying to maintain US Stryker and Bradley’s, German (really Polish) Leopards and Marders and British Challengers. What they need is commonality, not more disparate systems.

  8. pagar

    January 24, 2023 at 1:19 am

    Joe needs to send hunter, the smartest man ever known, to kyiv.

    Hunter in kyiv should be able to decide on the spot whether the ukros really need US-made 70 tonner tanks or they just need gazilions more bucks from washington.

    Just hours ago, zelenskiyy was thinking of or reportedly keen on re-shuffling his inner circle due to massive or widespread mishandling of donated funds.

  9. Paul

    January 24, 2023 at 11:30 am

    Massive numbers of RU-trolls in here, they must have approved overtime at the troll-factory. Most of them have adopted western names or generic IDs. But you can tell by their outlandish claims. The Russian army is actually kicking AFU ass, just don’t look like it. Anything they don’t like is a threat and a provocation that puts you and your country on a short list for being nuked. And yes, nukes are a favorite topic that have been at the top of spin topic white board for a while. Any donation of arms from the West is going to inevitable lead to WW3 and/or nuclear holocaust.
    They have their own sources, probably from the credible bullshit feedback loop, Russian TV news. In their minds Ukraine is really novorossiya and Ukrainians don’t really exist. They are in reality Russians that have been brainwashed by the evil west into believing they are Ukrainians. Fortunately, Putin is currently reminding them of their real nationality by reducing their cities to rubble, murder their civilians and slaughter their soldiers. When all is well and done the Ukrainians, I mean Russians from novorossiya, well, not proper Russians obviously, more like «little Russians» or second-rate Russians, will be welcomed in to the glorious «russki mir». Where they will take their rightful place in the family of other happy members at gunpoint. In worst case if Russia loses the war, they reserve the right to nuke Ukraine/novorossiya, good riddance, since they are just second rate «little Russians» that needs to know their place anyway.

  10. Gary Jacobs

    January 24, 2023 at 11:45 am

    Jim,

    Once again your take is the complete opposite of reality.

    Much like the open sands of Iraq, the open steppe/plains of Ukraine is exactly where Abrams will out maneuver, out gun, and obliterate FAR inferior Russian tanks. And much like Leopard and Challenger, with it’s protective armor it will keep more Ukrainians alive than Russian tanks could ever dream to. Of course Ukraine needs more artillery and GLSDB to shape the battlefield and provide fire support for tanks…and they are getting those as well.

    It is in the places like the forests near Kreminna along with urban areas where tanks are less effective as they have less space to maneuver.

    It looks like the Biden admin floated a trial balloon to WSJ today with an article titled:
    “U.S. Leans Toward Providing Abrams Tanks to Ukraine…
    Deliveries would be part of deal to enable provision of German-built Leopards”

    Poland and other Leopard countries have already pledged an initial batch of about 100 Leopards, and I wouldnt be surprised to see a similar amount of Abrams. But as with the Battle of 73 Easting…even 36 Abrams can make a big difference.

    As with most other new weapons the initial batch is likely a prelude to much larger deliveries in follow on rounds once the training and logistics are set up.

    I wouldbnt be surprised to see 500+ western tanks in Ukraine before the end of summer. It would be much better to be closer to that by mid spring so they are trained up by the time summer dries the spring mud. A similar to larger number of Bradley / CV90 type IFVs would be great as well.

    Add in some F16s supplied by the Dutch and hopefully a few others… with 2000lb JDAMs, HARMs, and hopefully some JASSMs [perhaps the UK gives them a few Storm Shadows, though that’s less likely] and Ukraine should be able to roll back Russia’s naked aggression to the internationally recognized borders and restore its sovereignty.

    Have a liberating day.

  11. Rapunzel

    January 24, 2023 at 1:06 pm

    Chancellor Scholz says German battle tanks only if the USA also supplies battle tanks.
    No problem, the USA delivers battle tanks to Ukraine. After 2 months these tanks are shifted to Poland. Poland in turn delivers additional German battle tanks to Ukraine.
    Everybody won (except the war criminals). 🙂

    Greetings from Germany

  12. Rapunzel

    January 24, 2023 at 1:14 pm

    No one has demanded that the American tanks must go to the front, they secure the border with Belarus. The shift to Poland can be justified with logistical problems of maintenance.

  13. froike

    January 24, 2023 at 1:30 pm

    Just saw an interesting article. In lieu of Leapords/Abrams, Poland and Czech upgraded T-72’s would be a better option. The upgraded Tanks have the latest Thermal Sights (Commander can seek targets independently), great armor protection, and can use Israeli Tank Ammunition. The maintenance/support for these Tanks is already in place. Minimal training for Ukrainian Tankers and Mechanics. Finally, these are smaller and lighter, about 40 Tons, as opposed to Leapords/Abrams which weigh in at around 50-60 Tons with full armor.
    So current Bridges and Bridge laying equipment would work well with these.
    Poland fields at least 200 of these upgraded beasts.
    I would love for Ukraine to receive Western Tanks, but in the interim, the upgraded T-72’s would provide 8 ready Brigades!

  14. The Al U Know

    January 24, 2023 at 4:12 pm

    @ Paul

    Who exactly said that??

    Trolls, trolls, trolls…t-roll off the tongue for simple minds.

    “They have their own sources, probably from the credible bullshit feedback loop, Russian TV news.”

    Jesus!!! It is the Germans who are antsy, the Polish who are eager with the British. And you too, so eager. I better see you soon on the frontline.

    And no, you don’t have to go to the twiiter propagandists. It is the German government, which has veto over where the Leos go, who say they are antsy. For various reasons.

    Here in Canada CTV, AP, Der Speigel, Eurasian Times and
    Definitely 1945 have all considered:
    -German PTSD from being the ‘rapist’ of Europe in WW2, beaten to a pulp by today’s international jock and the curent bully to near-death for doing so.
    -Germam practical thinking, that Russia considers rational calculations.
    Russia: ‘I had a quantitative advantage, but now I am countered by a tech/tank advantage. I can only win/survive in my current form(imperial) if I escalate.’
    -They are target #1 over Poland et al. because so many US assets are there.
    Germany thinks about what the Russians are thinking. Because unless you are ready to go all the way, like literally Stand With Ukraine, the Russian empire is going to act in ways that even they(nor the USA) cannot predict. Germany has seen itself as ground zero since Fulda Gap became a thing.

    Not necessarily but could include nukes.
    Especially if winning does not include survival.

    Also,
    “The Russian army is actually kicking AFU ass, just don’t look like it.”

    The 1200 km front has been roughly stable for a while now. Kherson here. Soledar there.No Kiev for Russia. No 1991 borders for Ukraine. As for casualties the numbers are currently equal.
    Whether you go by Gen. Mark Milley’s 100K for “both sides”. Though he has been off sometimes, the US is privy to superior intel options and is firmy behind Ukraine financially, ideologically. So why move to something different than what Zellensky’s propaganda says?
    Why would Ursula want to affirm this number?

    And why would other military officials in the Biden admin. tell the news that AFU needs to stop wasting troops near Bakhmut area and focus on the south?
    Tardiness? Ignorance? Tactical ineptitude? I thought these were traits of Soviet tactical doctrine but AFU proves me wrong.

    Or you go by more vested sources.

    13K unjustified by Zelensky.
    9K by Zaluzhny of AFU MoD.
    Disjointed messaging much??

    Then there is the NYT working with groups in Russia. They could only verify 10k deaths, but estimated at most 2/3 times higher.

    I am skeptical of a lot at this point. The postponement of war can only give advantage to another at another time.
    Germany does not want to give its weapons to the kid being attacked by the bully(Ukraine and Russia) for fear that the jock that has its back(USA) extorts and weakens it(arsenal of democracy, or more loitering loanshark with a bat) whilst keeping their weapons. For a later time.

    Note that as of writing this both the US and Germany are seeing that they could have put their weapons in the hands of Ukraine. Although I doubt it will do much good. 30, maybe max. 50 tanks.
    When they, Zellensky asked for 700. F-16s where training they could squeeze down to 1 from 2 years with some detriment.

    One more thing:
    “They are in reality Russians that have been brainwashed by the evil west into believing they are Ukrainians.”

    Google is your friend. Much of Ukraine is a fantasy. West of Zbruch River is, was Polish and the 4 break away regions plus Crimea fall into Ethnically Russian areas. For a fleeting moment a thousand years ago Ukraine was more than an administrative region. But hey, need every ethnic region need be an independent region? Every house is a castle, I guess. Pfft.

    If that be the case then Quebec woud have torn a more tolerable place apart like Canada years ago. But it exists IN Canada and thrives, even going borderline religious persecution, racist, selfish swindler off the revenues the government gets from Alberta’s oilsands; flaunting loyalty and understanding of Canada’s constitutional monarchy.

    The reality is thay Ukraine is the whipping boy fodder no one cared or really cares for now.

    From the Al U Know

  15. Cheburator

    January 25, 2023 at 1:04 am

    Gary Jacobs
    open spaces)?
    You forgot about the viscous wet soils of the steppes of Ukraine, as well as the dominance of Russian aviation and artillery, does it make sense for the Russians to send tanks against the Abrams if they can be covered with artillery and aviation from a safe distance?
    hel havir rules the sky.
    In addition, Russian tanks are not so bad in modern modifications, and behind each tank formation there are several artillery formations.
    While artillery supplies from NATO do not even cover the losses of Ukraine, and ammunition does not cover the needs.
    What will be the negative publicity for the Abrams if the Russians burn several battalions, without engaging in direct combat.

  16. H.R. Holm

    January 25, 2023 at 1:36 am

    The U.S. and NATO just keep pushing the world towards nuclear war. Oh, those Javelins didn’t do the job? Let’s send artillery. Oh, the artillery didn’t do the job? Let’s sent HIMARS. Oh, the HIMARS didn’t send the Russians scurrying back home? Let’s send Bradleys and Strykers. Will they do the job? Will Patriot missiles? Hey, let’s really scare the Russians and send in Leopard tanks and M-1 Abrams. By, golly, they are *sure* to do the job! Are you chickenhawk war-rooters sure? How are you sure? How sure are you?
    The Russians *are* sure to be keeping a lot of their latest antitank weapons on hand in reserve. Considering that, what if the Leopards and Abrams then don’t do the job, what then? The U.S./NATO will have very little if anything then left in their arrow quivvers to up the ante with further. It will be a bit like in the original ‘War of the Worlds’ movie, when the U.S. drops an atomic bomb on the Martian war machines, and when the Martians come out unscathed, the commanding general frustratingly states “Guns, tanks, bombs—they’re like toys against them!!” The only things NATO will have left is to activate a no-fly zone (which originally ended up going over like a lead balloon almost from the get-go),and/or commit its own forces to battle. Either or both ways, then all gloves are off and chances are very good we all die after in short order. And for what? A corrupt European country with an autocratic show-clown of a leader? Supported with endless rah-rah propaganda and funds from a ‘superpower’ run by its own autocratic state, one that cares more about foreign borders and peoples than it does about its own borders and people. Phhhhhhtt on that crap! May the Russians turn every M-1 and Leopard possible into scrap junk, and jam back down to the ground every Patriot missile fired off, then. If they can, we will see how macho our war-rooters here in the U.S. remain.

  17. H.R. Holm

    January 25, 2023 at 1:41 am

    404NotFound and others commenting on this article, you are just so determined to kill humanity off with your irresponsible warmongering aren’t you? I just hope that if/when the nuclear missiles start flying, they hit where you live before they hit where I live.

  18. Paul

    January 25, 2023 at 5:29 am

    @The AI U Know

    Who said that? Depends on what part you refer to

    Trolls, trolls, trolls
    Do you not recognize the fact that there are troll factories in Russia where people are employed to influence the populations of the west?
    I do not know for a fact who in here are RU-trolls but they are here and they are working on their most important mission these days: To say whatever it takes to reduce or even stop the west from involving themselves in the RU conquest of Ukraine.

    “Ukrainians are really Russians”
    You kind of confirmed it yourself with your “Google is your friend” part. But “Jim” in here went further, he stated what I wrote the other day, like a week ago. In any case we are all in trouble when we start to pull out old maps to see who should get to control this or that bit of territory. All nations have their good old days when they ruled a big part of Europe. Poland, France, Spain, Austria, UK, Germany, Russia, Sweden, The Ottomans, etc. So, who should get what part? You tell me the answer and I will tell you who you are. So, for example what about Finland, if you pull out the right map you will see it at a part of Russia. So should RU army roll in to restore the rightful borders of Russia? After all Finland was won in a fair fight with Sweden back in the day and Finland have barely a history as an independent nation at all. But this line of thinking is an old feudal way that treats people like cattle. People follow the land like the grass and trees. So here is where Putin and I differ, I do not recognize that old imperial maps bind us. The people in the lands have a sovereign right to define their own identity and choose their own future. It is not for Putin, you, or me to tell the people within the borders of internationally recognized Ukraine who they really are. If they insist, they are Ukrainians rather than Russians then they are. And sure, there are people in Ukraine that defines themselves as Russians. Some of them would even like to be a part of Russia, but that does not give Putin the right to invade. You should also know that there are many Russian Ukrainians that do not want to be “liberated” by Putin and would like to remain a part of Ukraine. I know from personal experience with self-identifying Russians fleeing from Putins “liberating” army.

    The Russian army is kicking AFU-ass
    Many commentators in here are repeatedly claiming that AFU forces are being attritted and are suffering unsustainable losses. You must have seen many of them yourself. You may or may not agree with them but the sources that I rely on do not agree, and they have been more correct so far.
    You go on to debate casualties on both sides even though I did not mention that. I do not pretend to know, but if I was to guess I would stick to numbers referred by western intelligence which put Russian casualties at around 180k, 25% of those KIA. For the Ukrainian side there is less to go on but given the initial Russian blunders in the opening weeks, the Ukrainian successes at inflicting unsustainable losses on Russian forces west of Dnipro before they withdrew, the routing of Russian forces in Luhansk, Putin putting unrealistic demands on his commanders and Wagnerian tactics of overwhelming Ukrainians with cannon fodder recruited from prisons, I would guess that Ukrainian casualties are considerably lower. Maybe half, but that is pure speculation.

    Stalemate along the front
    You describe the situation along the front as a stalemate, and I believe you are right at this moment. There is a danger of the war dragging on without a military solution this year if the assistance from the west is not sufficient to break the deadlock. But as long as the Ukrainian side is moderately supplied by the west then it will be a battle off willpower. If so the Ukrainian side stand to lose their freedom in this war and therefor (as we can see) have a deep pool of motivated citizen to draw from. The Russian side does not risk losing more than their great leaders dream of an empire rivalling Catherine the great. So, they will stay unmotivated in the fight, and die, until they win or change leadership. Time will tell

    Risk of nukes
    I am sure you have read loads of comments about nuking Ukraine, NATO, or the west in general.
    The problem for Russia is this: If Russia uses tactical nukes in Ukraine, then this will create a problem for the west. If that is tolerated then the de facto message to Putin and any other nuclear power is that if you want it, then just nuke into submission, and take it. So, NATO will be forced to act, and they have probably already warned Russia about this. NATOs response will be to obliterate Russia’s forces in Ukraine with conventional weapons if they do not withdraw. Also, China and India will turn their backs on Russia, witch Russia cannot afford.
    With regards to strategic nuclear war, I assume you would agree that there is nothing to be gained by Russia from obliterating all major cities in Europe, Russia and USA.
    So, Russia has nothing to gain from these scenarios and they know it. Nevertheless, they keep raising the prospect of a nuclear war, not as a real possibility but as a tool to create fear in the west. Fear of nuclear war in the west can be useful to reduce willingness to support Ukraine, and that is why trolls are working overtime.

  19. H.R. Holm

    January 25, 2023 at 12:25 pm

    Hey, ‘Paul’, damn right a lot of people in the West fear nuclear conflict, and with good reason. Given Russia’s nuclear arsenal, it *is* a hair-trigger thing we cannot afford to ‘press ‘n test’ with increasing escalation of weapons provision. And regarding ‘Russian trolls’, this is one of the first favorite phony talking points of the rah-rah Ukraine-at-any-risk warmonger crowd, that anyone who expresses dissent about what the U.S. and NATO are doing is to be fingered as a virtual traitor to the Western cause, a ‘Russian agent’, and is to be hounded into silence. Well, here is one you people are not going to hound into silence. We’re on to your ever-so-tiring ‘troll’ meme, and it is not going to be successful at so accusing any dissenters from the NATO/US line and dissuading us from opposing this war madness. Endless supplying of Ukraine and continually upping that ante has not stopped and dissuaded the Russians, and for all we know has made them more desparate. And I for one do not want to see that stretched any further…..’capeesh’ ????

  20. Sofronie the monk

    January 25, 2023 at 12:41 pm

    Come on, guys, try to see the Russian propagandists (wrongly labeled as “trolls”) point of view. They NEED to defend the Motherland online and attest its supremacy from 50 different accounts, else uncle Prighozin will make sure they’ll get to do it on the front line and test for themselves that superiority of Russian technology.

    Given that, unlike the vaunted Russian tech, the HIMARS rockets have proved to be rather detrimental to one’s health, of course they are putting in these extra hours. Their near future looks rather bleak right now, involving a cheap uniform that can double as burial shroud and a train trip to a muddy trench where they can die proudly so that mom and dad can have a refurbished Lada and the two little bald b*tches can have their empire. Not the most rose perspective, is it?

    That being said, I’m sure the mighty T-14 Armata tanks are going to roll all the way to Washington DC (including over the Atlantic, Russian tech is THAT good).

  21. Paul

    January 25, 2023 at 2:37 pm

    @ H.R. Holm
    You might not be a troll, but your talking points are straight off their “topic of the day” whiteboard. The trolls are real, and they are thrilled that you parrot their talking points. Instead of playing offended that I point out that you have adopted RU-troll talking points, why don’t you instead explain your logic. I did, and if is straight forward. If you read the text, you can take some comfort in realizing that Russians, like you and me, probably do not want to be burned alive in a nuclear firestorm along with their entire family and loved ones just because Putin was denied expanding Russia.
    You might insist the west should back down from helping Ukraine out of fear that would provoke Russia to nuke us. Better safe than sorry, right?
    That is where you are wrong. If we back down now, Putin’s lesson from this is that he can threaten the west to give in to his demands. And we know from Putin’s own words that he sees the disintegration of USSR as the worst geopolitical disaster of the twentieth century, so he wants more. Let’s say we give in to his demands regarding Ukraine today. Then a few years later he launches a surprise attack on Estonia and Latvia. He claims this is to protect the Russian minority of 25% from abuse and bring these two provinces back to the Russian world where they belong. These nations are tiny, and the war will be over in a matter of days before NATO can react. He makes it clear that these provinces have been reintegrated into Mother Russia and they will be defended to death, including with nuclear weapons. Now what can the west do? Putin will not back down because he knows the west have given in to his demands before and have every reason to believe that will happen again. Who wants to burn alive for Estonia and Latvia? Now in this example the risks become much higher because Putin knows the west have blinked before. But the west now risks losing all credibility if they give in to threats again. This is a really dangerous scenario. And what lessons might North Korea draw from Putin being rewarded for threatening nuclear war?

  22. Serhio

    January 30, 2023 at 1:37 am

    Russian business has decided to stimulate frontline activity. Anonymous entrepreneurs, through actor Ivan Okhlobystin, announced a reward of 10 million rubles for each hit Abrams. Ukrainians should be proud that their charred bodies will be sold for the price of an apartment in Moscow.

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